Friday, September 30, 2022

183. Little Girls Lost: The Lyon Sisters

 It is a parent’s worst nightmare. The abduction of a child is more than traumatic but what if two of your children simply disappeared. That is precisely what happened on March 25, 1975, when  12-year-old Sheila Lyon and her little sister, 10-year-old Katherine departed from their home to walk ½ mile to the local shopping mall in Wheaton, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, DC.  The girls made it to the mall but never made it home, they would never be seen again.  This case has many twists and turns, but a dogged investigator and his team refused to give up. This is the story of The Lyon Sisters.


Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Little Girls Lost: The Lyon Sisters.”


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A big thanks to Mark Bowden and his book The Last Stone which did a great job telling the story of Katie and Sheila Lyon. Get it wherever you get your books or on Amazon as a Kindle or Audible edition. 




Bowden, Mark (April 2, 2019). The Last Stone. New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, an imprint of Grove/Atlantic. ISBN 9780802147301.

‘Who Killed the Lyon Sisters”

Thursday, September 22, 2022

182. Romana Wilson, MMIWG and the Highway of Tears

 Situated in the middle of a wild and beautiful outdoor playground, the town of

Smithers, British Columbia, Canada, rests at the foot of the luminous Hudson Bay

Mountain. The town is located halfway between Prince George and Prince Rupert along

the 450-mile evergreen-lined Highway 16. Currently, most of the inhabitants of Smithers

are of European descent. The First Nations people, notably the Wet’suwet’en, called this land home for thousands of years. Now there are only about 8% of the current population are First Nations people.

And even though the entire area of the Bulkley Valley is untamed, wild, and

peacefully scenic, there is another, darker side of the valley. All along Highway 16 are

billboards with the following warning: Girls Don’t Hitchhike on the Highway of Tears.

Killer on the Loose.

Ramona Wilson was sixteen and a member of the Gitxsan nation.  She was looking forward to going to a dance with several of her friends on a cool and calm evening in June of 1994, but she never made it to the dance. She simply vanished into the inky-blue twilight.

Unfortunately, she's not the only one.

Join Cam & Jen as we discuss Ramona Wilson, MMIWG, and the Highway of Tears.

If you have any info about Ramona Wilson or any of the other  women mentioned in this episode, please call the British Columbia Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

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Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


Monday, September 12, 2022

181. The Missing Girls: Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis

 It is  Jan. 9, 2002, in Oregon City, Oregon, 12-year-old Ashley Pond left her home to walk to the bus stop for Gardiner Middle School. Ashley was hurrying as she was going to be late and miss the bus stop, which was located approximately 10 minutes from her home. Ashley was popular in school but what she loved most was dance. She was on the school’s dance team, The Fallen Angels. The team would be rehearsing that day for the big competition they had coming up. Since she was late, Ashley started running as she didn’t want to miss school.  Little did her loved ones know that she would never get to the bus or arrive at school. Ashley simply disappeared, and she would not be the only one.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled The Missing Girls: Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis.

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O'Neal, Linda; Watson, Rick; Tennyson, Philip (2007). The Missing Girls: A Shocking True Story of Abduction and Murder. Macmillan. ISBN 978-0-312-94161-1.

SPECIAL: Our Precious Hope Revisited: St. Louis' Little Jane Doe

 Back in 2018, we covered this case with our first episode of The 12 Nightmares before Christmas. It is the most infamous unsolved murder in the state of Missouri. The case is open, and the child's identity is still unknown.

It was February 1983 when two men enter the basement of 5635 Clemens Avenue, a derelict and vacant apartment building in northwest St. Louis, and stumble upon a grisly scene that would haunt the authorities and the community for years. 

The 40th year anniversary is upon us, and a St. Louis local is fighting to get St Louis’ Jane Doe, known as Precious Hope, not only her name but the justice she deserves. 

Listen now on this special Our True Crime Podcast episode as we speak to Edrar ‘Bird’ Sosa, director of the documentary “Our Previous Hope Revisited: St Louis’ Jane Doe,” which is premiering on Amazon Prime on September 15, 2022. 

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180. Hell Ride: The Murder of Hannah Cornelius

****Content Warning**** Sexual Assault****

Cape Town, South Africa: In the early hours of May 27, 2017, Hannah Cornelius drove her friend Cheslin Marsh home after a night out. Before Cheslin could say goodbye, four men hijacked the car at knifepoint and kidnapped the two Stellenbosch University students. 

Cheslin was beaten with bricks and left to die. The gang members brutally assaulted Hannah and then murdered her in a senseless, brutal, and barbaric attack.

The gang members would then go on a crime spree in Hannah's car until the police finally caught them.

Please join Cam and Jen as we discuss Hell Ride: Hannah Cornelius. 

**Jen apologizes in advance if she pronounced anything incorrectly.  She really tried!

A HUGE thank you to Nicole from True Crime South Africa for helping us get the court documents.

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Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


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***The Court Transcript from the Trial***

Wednesday, August 24, 2022

179. Fighting for Katie Palmer: An Interview with John Palmer

 Earlier this month, Cam and Jen sat down with John Palmer and discussed the tragic accident that took his wife Katie's life. 

​April 21st, 2020, in Denison, Texas, situated on the border of Oklahoma. Thirty-eight-year-old Katie Palmer decided to take an early morning walk with her husband, John Palmer,   hoping to see the nesting spot for a bird known as a killdeer.

As the couple was returning home, they walked along Glenwood Drive at 7:45 A.M, on the left-hand side, facing the traffic, as pedestrians are supposed to do in Texas. Glenwood Drive also did not have dividing paint lines; it’s just an open road where drivers know to stay on their side. It’s wide, it’s flat, and there is nothing on it to hinder a person’s view. The sightline is over 600 feet, and the maximum speed limit is 30 miles per hour.

​About 1/5th of a mile from their home, a Ford F-250 pickup truck crossed from the right-hand side of the road to the left-hand side of the road and struck Katie and John as they were walking. The vehicle struck Katie and Josh with such force that it knocked them out of their shoes. Katie landed 75 feet away, and John landed 70 feet away. For a little context, 75 feet is equivalent to the height of a six to seven-story building.  Katie wouldn't survive.

The driver of the truck, a neighbor named Cory Foster, has a driving record filled with DUIs, speeding, and reckless driving, yet he was able to walk away from this scot-free. 

Everything about Katie's case has been mishandled. Trust us, it will get your blood boiling. 

Thank you to John Palmer for coming to the show. We know the road to justice is exhausting, but we will stand beside you in your journey and fight.

Please go to the following links for more information and updates on Katie's case.

Justice For Katie Palmer Facebook page.

Justice For Katie Palmer website

Justice For Katie Palmer on Twitter


If you would like to donate in Katie's name:

The Katie Palmer Project: 

Hagerman National Wildlife Reserve:

Monday, August 22, 2022

178. Hiding in Plain Sight: Henry Wallace

 As little kids, we are scared of monsters and things that go bump in the night.  We hear stories about big scary, hairy creatures that would get you if you weren’t being good. You had to always be aware of your surroundings and,  of course, beware stranger danger.  We grow up and imagine that bad guys are like the ones in the movies. But what if the monster was nothing like that, what if they were kind and helpful. What if they were your good friend? What if the monster was hiding in plain sight?

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled "Hiding in Plain Sight: Henry Wallace."

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