Wednesday, February 8, 2023

Forever Valentine: Patricia Mann & Jesse McBane

 Jesse was an All-American young man who was voted Most Likely to Succeed. Patricia was an All-American young woman on track to become a nurse. When the two met, sparks flew. Even though they were usually separated by distance, they knew they would be together forever.

On February 12, 1971, Jesse unexpectedly showed up at Watt's Nursing School in Durham, North Carolina, where Patricia attended, to take her to the Valentine's Dance. The two had a fantastic night at the dance, then left at 11:30 to go to Lover's Lane.

When the two failed to return home, friends and family knew something was wrong and began searching for the two lovebirds.

Then on February 25, a land surveyor found what he thought was a mannequin leg covered with leaves deep in the woods, only four miles from Jesse and Patricia's last known whereabouts. Upon closer look, he saw the bodies of Jesse McBane and Patricia Mann. They had been tied to an oak tree and covered by leaves and debris. Their hands were tied behind their backs, and a rope was around their necks.

This case has remained unsolved for fifty-two years and needs closure. Join Cam and Jen as they go over the case along with the three main suspects. Maybe you will be the one that can help the police solve the case.

If you have any information, no matter how small, about the abduction, torture, and murder of Jesse McBane and Patricia Mann, please contact the Orange County Sheriff's department at 919-644-3050 or visit the Orange County Sheriff's Office's website at

Make sure to check out the long-form podcast The Long Dance with investigating reporter Drew Adamek and writer/filmmaker Eryk Pruitt. It is well done and chock full of information and interviews with many people involved. Jen loved it!

Thank you to our team that helped make this episode possible:
Edward October for the Listener Discretion. Check out his YouTube Channel
Nico at We Talk of Dreams for editing and theme music.
Lauretta Allen for research and writing.

Sources: found: of tree where bodies were found: an amazing deep dive:,+North+Carolina+27312/Sanford,+NC/@35.6045825,-79.4350582,10z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89acb97f2695f989:0x7d512c2db0470c33!2m2!1d-79.1772371!2d35.7201463!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca38c6e5a1cc9:0x33e094f5b0279618!2m2!1d-79.1802994!2d35.4798757,+Croasdaile+Drive,+Durham,+NC/Sanford,+NC/@35.753211,-79.6180582,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ace14343601747:0x1d1dab53fe316a44!2m2!1d-78.9412932!2d36.0277261!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca38c6e5a1cc9:0x33e094f5b0279618!2m2!1d-79.1802994!2d35.4798757,+Durham,+NC+27705/Howe+St,+Durham,+NC+27705/@36.0355654,-78.986795,14z/am=t/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ace143d55e6e9f:0xfaed2233d9e052d0!2m2!1d-78.945073!2d36.0287718!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ace0e8553588cf:0xd7428fae04db057a!2m2!1d-78.9881625!2d36.0396603,_North_Carolina,_North_Carolina

Wednesday, February 1, 2023

197. America's Youngest Serial Killer: Craig Price

It is July 27, 1987, and 27-year-old single mother Rebecca Spencer is sound asleep on her couch. She wakes to a stranger above her. The man has a knife and uses all his strength to bring the knife down and stab Becky violently repeatedly. The community was in shock but the police were sure they would solve the case fast. They were wrong and the case went cold for two years. The killer would strike again on September 4, 1989, when a mother and her two children were attacked in the middle of the night. Police were shocked by the heinousness of the crime but the bigger shock was soon to come when investigators found the killer.


Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘America’s Youngest Serial Killer: Craig Price.’

Promo is by our good friends Mike Garson from Brew Crime and Paige Elmore from Reverie True Cime. Mike and Paige launched a new podcast called BrewVerie. Take a listen and check them out.
Listener discretion is by our buddy @octoberpodVHS

Music is by Nico @wetalkofdreams –he is also our executive producer


Tuesday, January 24, 2023

Missing in Florida: Michelle Parker & Tracy Ocasio

Another listener requested episode. Thank you, Chris Johnson!

Cam and Jen discuss two unsolved cases involving missing women in the Orlando area in Florida.

First, we discuss Michelle Parker. Michelle disappeared in 2011, just hours after millions of viewers tuned in to see her and her ex-fiance, Dale Smith, on The People's Court. She was last seen dropping off her twins at Smith's apartment. There is a $200,000 reward for any tips leading to an arrest or where she is located.

Then we discuss the disappearance of Tracy Ocasio in 2009. She was last seen leaving a bar called The Florida Tap Room in Ocoee with a man named James Hataway. Tracy's car was found 150 yards away from Hataway's home, but she has never been found.

James Hataway has since been sentenced to life in prison for the attempted murder of another woman who had given him a ride home.

If you have any information about these two women, please call Crimelines at 1-800-423-8477.

This episode of OTCP is sponsored by Rothy's. We love their products and know you will, too!
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This week's promo is from our friend Edward of OctoberpodVHS. His new project drops in February.

Thanks to the following folks for making this possible!
Edward October for the Listener Discretion. Check out his YouTube Channel
Nico at We Talk of Dreams for editing and theme music.
Lauretta Allen for research and writing.


Friday, January 20, 2023

195. Motiveless Murder: Haines Family Massacre

 Thomas Haines was a 50-year-old industrial supplies local sales manager, while his 47-year-old wife Lisa was a preschool teacher at Lancaster Brethren Preschool. The couple had a 20-year-old daughter named Maggie who had just completed her sophomore year at Bucknell University where she was studying biology and a 16-year-old son named Kevin who was a sophomore at Manheim Township High School. The family was a loving one, with the parents willing to help their children in any way they could. The family of four was enjoying the start of summer break but little did they know, a killer was lurking nearby who had an evil plan he was about to unfold.

Join Cam and Jen as we discuss ‘Motiveless Murder: Haines Family Massacre’ on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast.’

Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS
Music/EP by @wetalkofdreams

Sources: Book: Kreider, Tim. Refuse to Drown.

Tuesday, January 10, 2023

Roch Theriault and the Ant Hill Kids Cult


In 1984, the beautiful, tranquil area of Burnt River in Ontario, Canada, attracted the attention of the free-spirited, organic-food-growing faith community called the Ant Hill Kids. Along an isolated road on August 16th, 1989, it was here that a member of that faith community hitch-hiked her way to a hospital, protecting the stump that used to be her right arm.

A former nurse herself, Gabrielle Lavallee knew only too well the horrors that could befall an untreated amputation. But any horror that could result from rampant infection was mild compared to the horror she’d already endured.

Gabrielle, determined to leave the "utopian" community behind, eventually spilled her story to the police. Gabrielle had existed in conditions far from utopian. She had been living in an absolute sadistic hellscape, controlled and manipulated by the Ant Hill Kids leader, a Quebec man named Roch Theriault.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss a case that is so heinous and bizarre that if it were a work of fiction, the author would be taken to task for making up such an unbelievable story.

If you or any loved ones need help with either leaving a cult or are in need of therapy to recover from your experiences, you can visit the International Cultic Studies Association’s website at

Promo by Tales From the Darkside. Be sure to check out Season 5

Thank you to
Edward October for the Listener Discretion. Check out his YouTube Channel
Nico at We Talk of Dreams for editing and theme.
Lauretta Allen for research and writing


Friday, December 9, 2022

The Mockingbird Hill Massacre: Ronald Gene Simmons Day 12 The 12 Nightmares Brefore Christmas

In the small town of Cloudcroft, located in a mountainous region of New Mexico, rumors began to surround a seventeen-year-old girl named Sheila Simmons. It was 1981, and most 17-year-old girls were excited about watching music videos on the newly launched 24-hour music channel MTV, reading Teen magazines, dressing in the latest fashion trends, and taking over the landline to chat with each other about their day and other important things. But Sheila's reality was, tragically, much darker. Shy, ashamed, and threatened into silence, she finally admitted her secret to a school counselor after much pressure: she was pregnant. What's more, the father of her unborn child was also the baby's grandfather, 40-year-old Ronald Gene Simmons. When he learned he was being investigated by authorities, Simmons felt betrayed. In a letter discovered almost a decade later, he warned his daughter, quote, "You have destroyed me, and you have destroyed my trust in you…

I will see you in Hell."

Little did anyone know, things would only get worse from that moment on.

Join Jen and Cam on the 5th Annual Our True Crime Podcast’s 12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 12: The Mockingbird Hill Massacre: Ronald Gene Simmons

Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS     

All music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreams     

Researched and Written by Jesse Hawke



Bad Romance: Charles Starkweather and Caril Fugate Day 11 The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas

 The year is 1958, and America is still innocent in terms of evil people. We know they were always around, but with snail mail and no internet, things that made the news are not like they are today. Someone commits a heinous crime in Manchester, England, and in mere seconds, we here in the US hear about it. Today's case, Day 11, takes us back to when Eisenhouse and Nixon led the US and the FBI, led by J. Edgar Hoover, was America’s watchdog. Even though it entered the lexicon in early 1900, the word teenager was coming into the common language. Teens were becoming more independent from their parents thanks to public education. No longer were young children pulled from school to go to work. This led to some rebellion from those teens, who were better to show the cause than James Dean and Elvis. Perhaps it was perfect timing in the US, or maybe it was the shock of how two teenagers could capture the world's attention and go down in infamy. The couple would be memorialized in such movie classics as Terrance Malik’s 1974 Badlands with Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek as the leads, Tarrantino’s True Romance, David Lynch’s Wild at Hart, Oliver Stone’s Natural Born Killers. Even today, the couple still holds our gaze with movies, tv shows, songs, books, and more. 

Join Jen and Cam on the 5th Annual Our True Crime Podcast’s 12 Nightmares Before Christmas -Day 11-Bad Romance: Charles Starkweather and Caril Fugate

Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS     

All music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreams