205. Hush Little Babies: Marybeth Tinning

It started with Jennifer, the third child of Marybeth and Joe, joining siblings Barbara and Joe Jr in December of 1971. Little Jennifer was not a healthy child and died from meningitis on January 3, 1972. This news hit Marybeth and Joe hard, especially Mary, who had just lost her father in October. Perhaps the stress ignited a slow-burning fire into a firestorm, or maybe it was always inside and had not yet appeared until now. Whatever the reason, there would be a trail of death with one person responsible for them all. Yet time and time again, the person was left to do it again and again.

 

Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast episode, ' Hush Little Babies: Marybeth Tinning.’

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Sources:
Baden, Michael M.; Hennessee, Judith Adler (1989). Unnatural Death: Confessions of a Medical Examiner (1st ed.). New York City: Random House. ISBN 978-0394569826.

Egginton, Joyce (1990). From cradle to grave: the short lives and strange deaths of Marybeth Tinning's nine children (Jove ed.). New York: Berkley. ISBN 978-0515103014.
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Gado, Mark (2011). Bardsley, Marilyn (ed.). Crimescape | Mom: The Killer. New York City: RosettaBooks. ISBN 9780795319228.

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204. Bad Creek Bridge: Taylor Paschal-Placker, Skyla Whitaker & Ashley Taylor

 "Two young girls gunned down on a beautiful June day" is a headline we, Americans, are all too familiar with. However, most people would be shocked to discover that the brutal slayings occurred along a tree-lined dirt road in America's heartland. "That type of violence doesn't happen here," or "We moved to the country to get away from this type of thing," is what we often hear after such a violent act occurs. And indeed, those were the very emotions that locals expressed in June of 2008, when eleven-year-old Skyla Jade Whitaker and her best friend, thirteen-year-old Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, were shot thirteen times while walking home from the creek on a beautiful June afternoon.

Police would work on solving the young girl's murder for three years without any luck. It would take the disappearance and murder of 23-year-old Ashley Taylor to lead police to Skyla's and Taylor's killer.

Sklya Whitaker, Taylor Paschal-Placker, Ashley Taylor

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss "Bad Creek Bridge: Taylor Paschal-Placker, Skyla Whitaker, and Ashley Taylor."

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Thank you to our team that helped make this episode possible:
Edward October for the Listener Discretion. Check out his https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo
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Lauretta Allen for research and writing.

Sources:
Now I Lay Me Down by Faith Phillips https://www.amazon.com/dp/1724577123?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_STH5VV43T5NZF0AKTZZJ
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203. The Butler Did It: Roy Fontaine

Today’s bizarre tale begins in Chelsea in 1977, where we go to the home of Walter Travers Scott- Elliot and his 60-year-old wife, Dorothy. The couple enjoyed the riches of what they had worked hard for all their lives, and they were pretty well off, upper crust if you will. Walter and Dorothy came from well-established families and lived in a penthouse apartment surrounded by expensive collectibles. The couple managed a small staff at home. In November of 1977, they hired a man named Roy Fontaine. Roy Fontaine presented himself just as you would imagine a butler would. He was refined and well-spoken. He quickly impacted the Scott-Elliots and gained their trust; they even let him sign checks for them and handle their finances. Unfortunately for the Scott-Elliots, there was a lot about their new butler that they did not know and would pay dearly for. Mr. Fontaine was not who he said he was; his real name was Archibald Thomson Hall, but that was only the beginning.

 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Butler Did It: Roy Fontaine.’

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Sources:https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/nostalgia/crimelibrary/archibaldthomsonhall/themurderousbutler/

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/glasgows-demon-butler-who-became-24957298

https://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hall-archibald.htm

https://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hall-archibald.htm

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/the-monster-butler-fake-toff-serial-1098917

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6z5ams

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C15180674

Books:
Hall, Roy Archibald (2002). To Kill and Kill Again: The Chilling True Confessions of a Serial Killer. John Blake. ISBN 978-1-85782-555-8.

Pender, Paul (2012). The Butler Did It: My True and Terrifying Encounters with a Serial Killer. Mainstream Publishing. ISBN 9781780575612.

Nicol, Allan (2011). The Monster Butler. Black & White Publishing. ISBN 978-1-84502-336-2.

202. Terror in the Bushland: Carolynne Watson and Julian Buchwald

 Four hours northwest of the central city of Melbourne, located in the southeast region of the continent, lies the vast and protected 1.6 million-acre Alpine National Park. Known as the adventure lovers' dream, the park's mountains make up part of what is known as the Great Dividing Range and offer stunning views of towering ridges, lush wildflower valleys, and majestic waterfalls. Plenty of camping, skiing, and hiking can be enjoyed if one is so inclined.

However excellent the travel brochure for the Australian Alps may sound, locals understand that the landscape can also be a nightmare for people who are not adequately prepared. Victoria is home to at least four venomous snakes and any number of bees, wasps, ticks, and spiders. So when a local farmer driving to town saw two half-naked, sunburnt people stumble on the road before him, he realized they must have been lost in the park and immediately stopped to help them.

The couple, seventeen-year-old Carolynne Watson and twenty-two-year-old Julian Buchwald were taken to Buchan police station. The story that unfolded was the stuff of nightmares, harrowing.

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss 'Terror in the Bushland: Carolynne Watson and Julian Buchwald.'

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Thank you to our team that helped make this episode possible:
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Sources:

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201. The ABC Killer: Moses Sithole

 On September 17, 1995, in Boksburg, South Africa, a Johannesburg Police Reservist had the day off and decided to enjoy the day by hunting rabbits. As the man was walking in the field, the putrid smell hit him. It smelled of death, but it was not just one decomposing body, but several. This was the dumping ground and the killing field of a serial killer. Some bodies were unrecognizable since they had been out there a long time, while others looked freshly killed. Thirty police officers, dogs, and a helicopter were called for a grid search. The police believed they knew who was responsible for these deaths since they knew a killer had been working in the area for nearly a year, but this was new. The killer had been killing women and dumping them but never like this, never all in one spot. He was getting reckless and didn’t care, or he was getting brave and better at his actions. The mass grave held ten bodies. Authorities would discover many more bodies in the places such as Atteridgeville, Boksburg, and Cleveland, earning him the moniker ABC Killer.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The ABC Killer: Moses Sithole.’

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As I stated on the podcast, here is a list of victims:(date is the day they disappeared/died, followed by the name, age, and discovery date)

July 6, 1994 - Maria Monene Monama, 18
August 6, 1994 - Amanda Kebofile Thethe, 26
August 19, 1994 - Joyce Thakane Mashabela, 32
September 7, 1994 - Refilwe Amanda Mokale, 24
September 18, 1994 - Rose Rebothile Mogotsi, 22
December 1994 - *Unidentified Victim* (discovered 3 January 1995)
January 1995 - Beauty Nuku Soko, 27
March 3, 1995 - Sara Matlakala Mokono, 25
April 7, 1995 - Nikiwe Diko (discovered 24 June)
April 12, 1995 - Letta Nomthandazo Ndlangamandla, 25
April 20, 1995 - Sibusiso Nomthandazo Ndlangamandla, 2
May 12, 1995 - Esther Moshibudi Mainetja, 29
May 23, 1995 - Granny Dimakatso Ramela, 21 (discovered 18 July)
May 25, 1995 - Elizabeth Granny Mathetsa, 19 (discovered 16 June)
May 30, 1995 - Mildred Ntiya Lepule, 28 (discovered 26 July)
June 13, 1995 - Francina Nomsa Sithebe, 25
June 22, 1995 - Ernestina Mohadi Mosebo, 30
July 14, 1995 - Elsie Khoti Masango, 25 (discovered on 8 August)
July 17, 1995 - Josephine Mantsali Mlangeni, 25
August 8, 1995 - Oscarina Vuyokazi Jakalase, 30 (discovered 23 August)
August 9. 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
August 15, 1995 - Makoba Tryphina Mogotsi, 26 (discovered 17 September)
August 28, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
August 30, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
September 4, 1995 - Nelisiwe Nontobeko Zulu, 26 (discovered 17 September)
September 7, 1995 - Amelia Dikamakatso Rapodile, 43 (discovered 17 September) September 12, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
September 12, 1995 - Monica Gabisile Vilakazi, 31 (discovered 17 September)
September 17, 1995 - Hazel Nozipho Madikizela, 21 (discovered 17 September)
September 17, 1995 - Tsidi Malekoae Matela, 45
September 17, 1995 - *3 Unidentified Victims*
September 24, 1995 - Agnes Sibongile Mbuli, 20 (discovered 3 October)
October 9, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
October 10, 1995 - Beauty Ntombi Ndabeni (discovered 11 October)
October 14, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*
November 6, 1995 - *Unidentified Victim*


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