192. The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy

 ****This is a brutal episode.  Listener discretion is advised ****

In April of 1973, on Friday the 13th, Elsie Ralph was at work, bartending at the Punch Bowl Tavern in the Rainbow Hill district of Worcester, England. 

At closing time, her husband came to pick her up and left their three young children at home with their lodger, David McGreavy.

Elsie, Dawn, Paul and Samantha

As the couple approached their home, they were met by police, informing them that they could not enter their home. Elsie panicked and begged to know why. The police officer gravely told them, “There’s been a murder.”  The police would not immediately share with the couple precisely who had been murdered or the details of the crime. Elsie became hysterical, and an ambulance medic gave her a sedative. 

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy'

David McGreavy

A big thank you to:

Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo

Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese at wetalkofdreams.com

Researched and written by Lauretta Allen

Sources:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS9F4xfVtlU&t=6s

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https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2029614,-2.212273,14z

191. The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich

 We are headed to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, a resort town in the Midwest. The summer tourist season is about to kick off. The popular destination is located on Geneva Lake and has been popular for years, with everyone from the elite to kids hitting up the water parks. On June 5, 2014, a call came into the Walworth County Sheriff's Department at about 3:20 pm. The dispatch informed them that laying on the side of Como Road, were two suitcases discovered by a local farmer. The farmer attempted to move them, but as he approached, the smell let him know that he needed to call the police. As police arrived on the scene, they located two suitcases, a black one with plenty of insect activity on it and a purple one. Police unzipped the black one and discovered the body of a female inside. Even though the body was badly decomposed, it was a female, and her body was intact. There was a ball gag in her mouth attached to her head by a strap. Around her neck, there was a rope with both of her hands behind her body. It would take a while to find out who was responsible but they would find him.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss ‘The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich.’

As always, our listener discretion is by Edward October @octoberpodVHS    

Check him out, you will love him. Promise

All music is original by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams         

He makes us sound good…and that is a chore.

Sources:

https://www.wisn.com/article/court-ex-cop-can-try-to-rescind-guilty-plea-in-suitcase-death/34797666

https://nypost.com/tag/steven-zelich/

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https://fox6now.com/2017/10/13/steven-zelich-sentenced-to-10-years-for-hiding-bodies-of-women-in-suitcases/

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/02/03/ex-cop-pleads-guilty-2nd-murder-suitcase-bodies-killings/97459438/

190. A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming

 On July 25th, 1980, a couple looked out the window and saw a   young woman running toward their apartment. She had long blond hair, and she was covered in blood. She was also naked from the waist down with her bikini top pulled over her breasts.  The man says to his wife, “If she’s running like that, somebody’s chasing her.” As the girl knocked on the door, Robert swung it open. “Help me,” she muttered and then collapsed onto to the porch. The couple called 911, and Robert covered her up with a sheet.

Police and rescue showed up within minutes. The ambulance whisked the girl off to the hospital while police followed the blood trail across the road to the back door of the apartment on Yale. They had found the crime scene and had identified the victim as Mary Michelle “Mickey” Fleming.

With witnesses coming forward, police are able to identify the killer as Anthony Joe LaRette. 

After he was sentenced, Tony would start confessing to 30 other murders.

Mary Michelle Fleming

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming

A big thank you to our team:

Anthony Joe LaRette

Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo

Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese at wetalkofdreams.com

Researched and written by Lauretta Allen

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189. Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs

 It was Thursday, May 19, 1983, at 10:48 pm when a red Nissan pulled up to the  McKenzie-Willamette Hospital emergency room drop-off door honking the horn repeatedly. A blonde woman hops out of the car, screaming for help, and points to her car. Someone shot my kids, she yelled. Nurses Rose Martin and Shelby Day ran to the car and were momentarily stunned, noticing all the blood inside the vehicle. Inside there were three small children, one in the front seat and two in the backseat. When confronted with what was in front of them, hospital staff were called to come into the ER to help assist.  Dr. John Mackey, the physician in charge, called the hospital’s number one surgeon Dr. Fred Whilhite came back to work because it was bad, it was very bad. Chest wounds to children and the conditions were grave. The girl in the front seat seemed to be already gone, but the ER staff tried desperately to bring her back to life, but it was too late; she would be pronounced dead in the ER. While the two in the backseat were still alive, they were struggling to breathe. The staff continued to try to save the other two children. They were not sure if they could be saved; with the gunshot wounds, each had severe loss of blood. To try to make breathing better for them, each was given a tracheotomy.  So far, what they were doing was working; the children were alive and seemed to be stable. What was more important was why would anyone do this and, more importantly, who? 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs.”

Listener Discretion is courtesy of @octoberpodVHS

EP/Music is by @wetalkofdreams

Sources: 

https://www.amazon.com/Small-Sacrifices-Story-Passion-Murder/dp/0451166604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMXTsU4eqE (Oprah Episode) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJ0roe2xSM (20/20)

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188.The Missing Women of Yonne

 About two hours from Paris, the body of 23-year-old Sylviane Lesage was found in a pasture. The case fell into the hands of Constable Christian Jambert.  He was considered an outstanding policeman and a dogged investigator for the National Gendarmerie. 

Sylviane Lasage

Christian Jambert

Constable Jambert began hearing stories of girls that had gone missing in and around Auxerre in the Department of Yonne, just up the road from Rouvray. But they weren’t just any girls. They were teenagers and students, children of the DDASS or Dahs. The missing girls were either foster children who were given up at birth or children who lived in a home for the disabled. They either had no immediate biological family, or their families could not care for them.

Besides the school, the girls had one thing in common. Bus driver Emile Louis.

Emile Louis

Join Jen & Cam as they discuss The Missing Women of Yonne.

P.S. Please excuse Jen's French pronunciations. 

A big thank you to our team:

Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideo

Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese at wetalkofdreams.com

Researched and written by Lauretta Allen

Also, a HUGE shout out to Julian the Frenchman on YouTube. He helped a heck of a lot.

Sources:

https://www.newspapers.com/image/752433788/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1

https://www.newspapers.com/image/753122933/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1

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