Saturday, August 7, 2021

134. Bloody Christmas at the Drama Club: Robert LeCompte


It was early Christmas morning 2009 in Houma, Louisiana when just after 3 am a call comes into the police. The man on the phone was the owner of a local bar called the Drama Club. He tells officers that his friend and manager of the Drama Club, Robert LeCompte, called him to let him know he was leaving for home. When Robert didn’t arrive home, police were sent to check out the bar. Once inside, police find a gruesome scene with blood everywhere and a lifeless body on the floor. Who would want to hurt Robert? Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Bloody Christmas at the Drama Club: Robert LeCompte. 

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133. Acid Attack : The Betrayal of Naomi Oni



Naomi Oni was an extremely smart and respectful young lady. She was always taught to place more value in who she is as a person, as opposed to how she looked.  She had a tight group of friends and just like a lot of teens, they were all into celebrity culture, fashion, make-up, and music. On the 29th of December 2012, Naomi set off as usual to work her shift in Stratford. After finishing at 11:30 pm, she left the store with her colleagues and as a group, they all walked to the train station where they eventually went separate ways.  As she exited the bus and began walking the short distance home, something caught her eye. She felt uneasy, but what would happen next would change Naomi forever. 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Acid Attack: The Betrayal of  Naomi Oni.’

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Music and editing by Nico Vittese of We Talk of Dreams

Written and researched by Fern from Evidence of a Crime

Sources: - victim impact statement

132. The Wicked Stepmother: Judith Hawkey


Like many children, Corey Breininger was being raised by his father and grandparents as his mother was not currently in his life. The arrangement worked well for all of them. When Robert Breininger met a woman by the name of Judith Hawkey, there was an immediate connection because the family could once again become a unit. Corey was only 4 years old when he met Judith, and at that young age, he could not yet know how much Judith would change his life and make what should be a little boy’s dream of having a family turn into a nightmare that no one would believe. 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of OTCP as we discuss ‘The Wicked Stepmother: Judith Hawkey.’ 

Listener discretion by the phenom Edward October @octoberpodVHS.

All those ear jingles and flawless editing is from our EP Nico @wetalkofdreams.


131. Behind Closed Doors: The Kansas City Butcher Robert Berdella


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Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Missouri's most heinous modern-day serial killer.  Bob Berdella preyed on young men that were down on their luck. Once they were in his grasp, they would be raped, tortured, and murdered.

Whether you know him as The Kansas City Butcher or The Collector, one thing is clear, Robert Berdella will still be one of the most sadistic serial killers that Cam and Jen have ever covered. 

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Producer and music by Nico Vettese of We Talk Of Dreams.  

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Research for this episode was sent to us by Gabriel Bulsara

and Emma from True Crime Witch Podcast helped with the writing.

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130. The Case of the Honolulu Strangler


Today we go to Paradise where a predator stalked and murdered his victims over thirty years ago. It was the mid-late 1980’s and Hawaii was about to be struck by their first serial killer. It is May 29, 1985 when 25-year-old Vicky Gail Purdy was reported missing by her husband. Vicki had gone out with friends in Waikiki but never came home. This would be the first in a series of murders that would plague the island.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Case of the Honolulu Strangler’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Please note: the recording takes a turn at the end and we wanted you all to hear it as, well, Cam gets quite the shock. Also, I apologize for my course language, I can’t even remember saying those words. It is shocking, to say the least.

As always our listener discretion is by our bestie @octoberpodVHS.

All music (as well as our producer) is courtesy of Nico @wetakofdreams.

Investigation Discovery (ID) channel program, Breaking Homicide, on May 13, 2018

Tuesday, June 29, 2021

128. Special: Beyond the Rainbow: Mysterious Murder of Kevin Fret

Join Jen and Cam on this special edition of Our True Crime Podcast as we welcome our friend, CJ from ‘Beyond the Rainbow’ podcast as she presents the story of Kevin Fret entitled ‘Beyond the Rainbow: Mysterious Murder of Kevin Fret.’

Special thanks and shoutout to CJ for all your hard work and research on this episode but mostly for agreeing to be associated with us. Just like our dear friend Edward from @octoberpodVHS  who does our listener discretion each week and our bestie Nico from @wetalkofdreams who does all our sound and produces the show.

Death of Kevin Fret Highlights Crisis of Violence in Puerto Rico - Rolling Stone
Ozuna blackmailed over 'intimate tape' - BBC News
Ozuna Admits He Was a Victim of Extortion Plot: 'I Made a Mistake' - Rolling Stone
Kevin Fret - Bio, Rapper, Net Worth, Death, Murder, Gay, Trap Star, Cause of Death, Age, Facts, Wiki, Soy Asi, Killed, Dies at 24, Family, News - Gossip Gist
Ozuna's manager not person of interest in rapper’s murder (
Hispanic Rapper Kevin Fret Arrested for Battery in Miami – NBC 6 South Florida (
Well-known gay rapper murdered in Puerto Rico (
Exploring the Santurce Neighborhood | Discover Puerto Rico
Who Was Kevin Fret? 5 Things To Know About The Gay Latin Trap Artist | Billboard | Billboard
Latin rapper Kevin Fret faces judge after Brickell fight – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale
Cosculluela - Wikipedia
Kevin Fret's Mother Continues to Accuse Ozuna and His Manager, Vicente Saavedra, of the Trap Artist's Death (

 This is a Special OTCP featuring ‘Beyond the Rainbow.’

24-year-old Kevin Fret was an up-and-coming Latino trap singer who also happened to be the first openly gay artist in the genre. On Thursday, January 10th, 2019, his life was cut short when he was fatally shot in the head as he was driving his motorcycle in San Juan, Puerto Rico. While questions still circle the crime, one thing remains true. No one has ever been charged with the murder and a killer still walks free. 

Wednesday, June 16, 2021

128. A Girl like Gwen: Gwen Araujo

 An anonymous phone call comes into the police in October 2002. On the other end of the line is a man who states he’s been hearing rumors and the rumors were so strong, he felt he needed to call the police. The man said he had heard that a body had been dumped near Half Moon Bay. Police arrive on the scene and aren’t sure what they have found but they know it is suspicious. They work to secure the scene and call for backup. Detectives arrive and work the scene. As they move the rocks, they now know that the 911 call was not just a tip but was responsible for leading investigators to a body.

Join Jen and Cam from Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘A Girl like Gwen: Gwen Araujo.’

Our listener discretion is by the oh-so-talented Edward October @octoberpodVHS.
All our original music is by the merrymaking Nico @wetalkofdreams. Nico is also our executive producer.


126. The Slaying of Sweet Sarah Ann: Sarah Rairdon

 Please note: this episode was previously released as a Patreon episode.  Patreon episodes are not heavily edited and are done in a conversational tone, meaning there is more banter in this episode.  If this would offend you, please skip this episode and listen to another of our episodes.  Thank you!

***Warning*** this episode mentions child abuse.

Underwood Minnesota is as small-town America as it gets. With a population of around 300 people, it’s a rural farmland town, kinda a one-stoplight kind of town. May 20 in Minnesota started out as just like another spring day. The kids were getting excited as school was about to be out for summer break.  The weather was great and that summer feeling was coming on strong. One of the residents living a calm life was a 13-year-old named Sarah Ann Rairdon. Remember what was important at 13? Friends, clothes, and oh, and puppy love. Sarah was a great, reliable daughter so when she didn’t return home when she was supposed to, no one was immediately panicked. When minutes turn to hours, it becomes obvious something is wrong but who would harm sweet Sarah? The truth was under their noses and more brutal than anyone could imagine.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Slaying of Sweet Sarah: Sarah Rairdon’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener Discretion is by the awesome Edward from @octoberpodVHS.

Theme music by  Nico from @wetalkofdreams.


125. The Chief, The Gym Rat and The Hitman

 Mark Tim Todd was raised in Herculaneum and it was right away that everyone knew Tim was going to be a standout in athletics. His dedication and his physique helped him become a stellar athlete. At 6’7 and 230 pounds,  it was no shock that he would be so successful in all sports, voted most talented his senior year as well as most handsome. Every boy wanted to be him and every girl wanted to be with him.  When Tim goes to work for a prominent police chief, it seems like the whole world is in his hands but all is not what it seems. When the fairy tale story ends, a person is left dead on the garage floor.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “The Chief, the Gym Rat and the Hitman’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener discretion is by the amazing @octoberpodVHS.

All our music is by @wetalkofdreams  -we loved Nico so much we made him our executive producer.


Tuesday, May 18, 2021

123. Execution of the Speed King: Mickey & Trudy Thompson

 Today we are going to a city outside of Los Angeles called Bradbury. It is a gated community of the elite where everyone has a mansion and several cars. With a small population and so close to a large city, it is a peaceful paradise for those that can afford it. The serenity was shattered when a killer came calling early one morning in 1988 leaving two people dead and a community that would have to wait over 19 years for justice.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode, ‘Beyond the Checkered Flag: Mickey and Trudy Thompson’ of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener discretion is by the renowned Edward OctoberpodVHS @octoberpodVHS.
Our executive producer, who also does our music, is by Nico @wetalkofdreams.


122. Massacre at UCC

 Since the Columbine school shooting in 1999, many schools and institutions in the United States now hold active shooter drills. Per the NEA National Education Assoc, In the 2017-16 school year, over 4.1 million students had participated in at least 1 drill. Lockdowns and active shooter drills are normal now. School mass shootings only account for  .2% of the 36k or so gun deaths in the United States.
On October 1st, 2015 Nine students attending the Umpqua (Ump-Kwua) Community College would be included in that statistic and the other students on campus would know the true terror of coming close to death.

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the Massacre At UCC

Big thank you to Kiah Gleason for her help with the research

Listener Discretion by Edward from Octoberpod VHS

The Producer is Nico Vettese

And a huge  thank you to Emma from True Crime Witch for writing the episode.  You are a lifesaver!

Super cool diorama's that Jen talked about are here

121. Island of Injustice: Massie Trial

 **Special thanks to APOSTROPHE for sponsoring this episode of OTCP.

Today we venture back in time to 1931, Honolulu Hawaii. At this time, the beautiful land was home to native Hawaiians but also immigrants who traveled to Hawaii for its alluring beauty and a shot at a better life. Honolulu was also home to many US Navy Soldiers stationed there. These young men brought their families to this paradise. The serene lifestyle would be turned upside down one summertime evening when a- 20 year old young woman is found on the side of the road. Her name is Thalia Massie, wife to a naval officer named Thomas Massie.  She has scratches and bruises all over her face and body and has been beaten up. What unfolds is a severe miscarriage of justice and how privilege and prejudice are stronger than any court of law.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Island of Injustice: Massie Trial’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener discretion is by Edward OctoberpodVHS. He is a wonderful storyteller-check him out.

Our show’s music is courtesy of our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams.


120. Terror in a Texas Park: John Griffin and Tommy Lee Trimble

 What pops in your head when the state of Texas is mentioned? Cattle? Oil? Football? Music?
Texas is the 2nd largest state in the United States and Austin, Texas always makes it on the best cities to live in lists.

Another list that Texas has made isn't quite as positive. That is Rolling Stones November 2014 list of 5 Worst States for LGBT People.

In the 1980s and 90s, queer-bashing was a popular pastime for some Texas high school kids. In just 10 years, 1988 to 1998, at least 28 gay men in Texas had been killed in a hate crime.

Today Cam and Jen discuss the deaths of two of these men, John Lloyd Griffin and Tommy Lee Trimble.

This episode was written and researched by Jeremy Wayne.

Listener discretion by OctoberpodVHS

Theme music and editing by Nico Vettese


119. Crazy In Love: Erin Caffey

 The Caffey family are resting peacefully in their beds in the Emory Texas home when all of a sudden someone bursts through the bedroom door. Shots ring out and both Terry Caffey and his wife Penny are being riddled with bullets. Terry jumps up from his bed even though he was shot and at that time, not even aware of how many times, he rushes out to go to his children. As he is attempting to get to the boys, he heard Matthew, age 13, cry out asking ‘why are you doing this? Why are you doing this?” Shots again ring out. Terry has made it into the hall and is trapped as fire is taking over the house. With nowhere else to go, Terry rushes back into his bedroom. It is at this time, he sees his wife Penny and knows it is too late for her: she is gone. When Terry was gone from the bedroom, a sword the family had on a wall for decoration, had been removed and used on Penny, nearly decapitating her. Terry, shot many times, is now running on adrenaline and knows he needs to get out, to get help because if he dies in this house, no one will know who committed this atrocity to his family. But he knows, he knows who it is and why they did it but what he doesn’t yet know will break his heart and shock the community.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Crazy in Love: Erin Caffey’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Please note this episode was previously released on our Patreon.

Listener discretion is by the fabu Edward OctoberpodVHS @octoberpodVHS
Our executive producer and composer is none other than the multi-talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams.


118. Deceptive Love: Ed Graf

 Clare is a divorced mom of two when love walked into her life. She wasn’t expecting it but welcomed it with open arms. At first, it seemed like the couple was happy but soon Ed’s behavior was beginning to seem strange. Marrying this man would soon become not only the biggest mistake she ever made but a deadly one as well.

Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss the episode ‘Deceptive Love: Ed Graf.’

Listener discretion is by the ominous @octoberpodVHS.

The show is executive produced and edited as well as all music is by the worldly @wetalkofdreams.


117. The Life of Leasure and Murder: Bill Leasure

 Police were trying to bust a ring of thieves who were stealing yachts and then selling them. The detectives had received information that a yacht by the name of La Vita was stolen and was going to be docking nearby at Marina Bay Yacht Harbor in Richmond, just north of San Francisco.
Detectives were waiting for this yacht to pull in and when it did, they wanted to have a little chat with the crew, in particular, a man by the name of Robert Denzil Kuns who they believed was involved in this. As the yacht pulled in, a man jumped out to tie up the boat. He was not Robert Kuns but another man by the name of William Leasure, an LAPD officer.  Detectives were shocked to find one of their very on board but this was just the beginning of the end for Officer William Leasure in a shocking tale with a few surprises. 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Gone Cop Gone Bad: Bill Leasure.’
Promo by our friends at The Path Went Chilly @PathWent
Listener discretion is by the ever so gracious Edward October @octoberpodVHS
All music is by Nifty Nico @wetalkofdreams -we like him so much, we made him our executive producer as well.

Friday, March 26, 2021

116. United in Murder: Gerald and Alice Uden

 In 1980, 32-year-old Virginia Uden and her two sons, 11-year-old Richard and 10-year-old Reagen, left for a day of fun but when they still had not arrived home, Virginia’s mother knew something was not right. After a fruitless search, Virginia’s ex-husband Gerald and her mother Claire phone police to file a missing person’s report. What no one knew at the time, would be that the case would go cold for many years until a man came forward with a peculiar story involving another murder.

Gerald Uden and Alice Louise Uden
Join Cam and Jen as we discuss ‘United in Murder: Gerald and Alice Uden’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener Discretion is by the enigmatic Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music as well as our producer is the always nifty Nico @wetalkofdreams.

This week’s promo is from our friends at @CorpusDelictiPC. Check them out.


115. Killing A Lie: Bart Whitaker


Ethan wrote us another great script!  Thank you, Ethan!

The Whitaker's were a perfect family. They were well known in the affluent city of Sugar Land Texas. But things aren't always what they seem.  On the evening of  Dec. 10, 2003, the family of four were gunned down as they returned home from a celebratory dinner.  Mom, Tricia Whitaker, a retired teacher, and her youngest son 19-year-old, Kevin, died from their injuries. The dad, Kent, and oldest son Bart survived.

Originally, police thought the Whitakers had interrupted a burglar but what they uncovered was a conspiracy to commit murder.

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss Killing a Lie: Bart Whitaker

Listener discretion by Octoberpod VHS

Producer, editing and music by Nico Vettese

Written by Ethan

Promo from Mike at Murder Mile


114. The Drug Addict, the Porn Star and the Heiress: Pati Margello Murder

 Today we are beginning our case at the Del Mar Resort Hotel in Las Vegas and it is far from a resort. It is the kind of hotel that rents by the hour and adult movies are included in your room rental. The hotel has the usual cast of seedy characters that you expect on rotation.  The Del Mar is no stranger to despair and darkness so on August 5, 1998, when a couple checks into the hotel and reports to the front desk that there is a putrid smell coming from the air conditioner, it is not out of the ordinary that someone may have died in the neighboring room. What was out of the ordinary was that the body was located inside the air conditioning vent making this not only a murder but the dead woman is at the center of what would become yet another huge scandal involving one of the richest American families ever to grace the East Coast. 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Drug Addict, the Porn Star, and the Heiress: Pati Margello Murder.’
Our listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.

Promo by our friend Linsey @stolenfrommepod


113. The Fake Doctor: Dean Faiello


It is Monday, April 14 2003 when co-workers of Maria Cruz become concerned.  35-year-old Maria was always a dependable, conscious employee who would just not show up for work. A few of her employee friends decide to swing by her apartment to check on her. They arrive at her home where they are greeted by a stack of newspapers on her front door. They knock on the door and no one answers it. Clearly, Maria is not home and has been gone for longer than just a day or two but they are sure she would have told them if she were planning a trip. One of her friends contacts her uncle who lives in nearby Queens and he immediately calls the police to report her missing and file a missing person’s report on Maria. What happened to Maria Cruz?

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Fake Doctor: Dean Faiello.’

Our listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.

Special thanks to one of my favorite writers, Bryan Burrough who wrote a fantastic piece on Faiello for Vanity Fair which is where I found the case:

Wednesday, February 24, 2021

112. Taken: The Murder of Tori Stafford

 On April 8, 2009, eight-year-old Tori Stafford disappeared while walking home from school in Woodstock Ontario.  CCTV captures her walking away from the school with her abductor.
News of her kidnapping spread across the nation and led to one of the largest searches in the Ontario Provincial Police history.
Although her brutal captors were arrested and charged 6 weeks after Tori was taken,
her broken body wouldn't be found for 103 days.

Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Taken: The Murder of Tori Stafford on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener discretion by the mysterious Edward October from @octoberpodVHS Check him out on YouTube

Editing and all music by producer Nico Vettese @wetalkofdreams  He's amazing!

Jen had a lot of help with research on this episode.  A huge thank you to Eileen McFarlane from Crimelaspe Podcast.  Please go check them out.

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111. Binding Love: Brittany Kilgore

 A 9-1-1 call comes in from a woman who is speaking in a muffled voice barely understandable. The operator is able to understand that someone is hurt at a hotel in the town of Fallbrook which is located in the northern part of San Diego county. After the operator calms the caller down, he is able to get an address, and police are dispatched to the location. When officers arrive and knock on the door, they can hear noises coming from inside the room but are unable to make out just what is making the noise. The manager uses his key to get officers inside. Inside they find a woman on the ground and blood everywhere. The woman barely has clothes on but there are obvious signs of injury. As officers look around the room, they notice a spiked collar near her body. In the bathroom, there is an array of knives and scalpels. They also notice a letter that informs them of yet another body. What officers are about to discover is a twisted, dark tale that seems like the plot of a bad mystery novel.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Binding Love: Brittany Kilgore.’

As always, our listener discretion is provided by the amazing Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music as well as our executive producer is the remarkable Nico from @wetalkofdreams.


Thursday, February 11, 2021

110. The Pig Farmer: Robert Pickton

 Before you listen to this particular episode, I wanted to mention that the perpetrator in the case targeted sex workers many of whom were indigenous women struggling with addiction and/or mental health issues. According to, in 2018, the rate of homicide victims among women in Canada was more than six times higher for the indigenous population. Often, victims of violent crimes, Indigenous people are twice as likely to suffer a physical assault, and three times as likely to become victims of robbery and sexual assault compared to their non-indigenous counterparts.  If you would like to find out more about Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, please or
Robert William Pickton was a Canadian farmer who, along with his brother, would run the farming business after his parents passed away. The men had some success with the farming but Robert's greatest legacy had nothing to do with farming. This is a grotesque story about a man who would ultimately be responsible for a series of missing women and the horror they must have endured.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'The Pig Farmer: Robert Pickton' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
Giant Thank YOU to Ryan @JonesAndJonesy for this listener submission.
Listener discretion is always voiced by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS
The show's music and executive producer is the fabu Nico @wetalkof dreams

Thursday, January 28, 2021

109. Honor Thy Father or Die: Eddie Sexton

 Eddie Sexton was an ordained minister so all those in town knew him and he was the go-to guy who could marry you and fast with little fuss. Eddie and his wife, Estella May had 12 children in all, seven boys and five girls. From the outside, this large church-going family seemed to be an ideal family but we all know looks can be deceiving and in this case, twisted and deadly. This is a story about a father who ruled with an iron fist by instilling fear, among other things, to get exactly what he wanted. After all, he always got what he wanted because if he didn't there would be hell to pay.
Evil Lives Here" Fear Thy Father (TV Episode 2018) - IMDb
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss "Honor Thy Father or Die: Eddie Sexton" on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Promo is by our friend Stu @britishmurders
Listener discretion by the affable Edward October from @octoberpodVHS
All music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams -he's the best


Wednesday, January 20, 2021

 On August 20th, 1979  civil lawyer Wallace Schwartz gets a phone call at 2:12 AM When he answers he hears his friend, 38-year-old Albert Fentress, in a low emotionless tone, say he is going to kill himself because he did something awful, something unthinkable. The story that Albert would tell his friend Wallace would be a tale of cannibalization, mutilation, and murder involving a teenager. The man who committed this heinous crime would become the darling of prison officials but the question remains: Did Albert lose touch with reality that summer afternoon or did Albert know exactly what he did and how to get away with it? 

Join Cam and Jen on this episode as we discuss Albert Fentress: New York's Own Hannibal Lector.

Edward from OctoberpodVHS does our amazing listener discretion.  Make sure to listen to his original work at

Nico Vetesse is our Producer he composed our theme music.  Check him out, he's brilliant.

This is the paper written by Judge Rosenblatt Jen was talking of

Also, the fiction book written by a former student. It is NOT about Fentress. Jen


Thursday, January 14, 2021

107. The Pretender: Kenny Wayne Lockwood

We are venturing to the college town of College Station, Texas home of Texas A&M.
They like simple things like studying, partying and football. They also like getting to meet new people who share similar interests, especially if that interest is Aggie Football.
Kerry Kujawa is a 20-year-old engineering major at the university and just like a lot of other students, he has a 21-year-old girlfriend name, Kelly McCauley. They were just like any other college student couple: cute, carefree, and working hard to get grades and graduate while having a little fun in between. They were, however, unlike most couples in one aspect: the two had never actually met. They haven’t even talked on the phone.  They had only communicated in the chat room. Kerry had asked over and over to meet up with Kelly but the timing just didn’t seem to work out. It seems Kelly was not being completely honest with Kerry. What could have been a deceitful lie turned into murder.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss The Pretender: Kenny Wayne Lockwood on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Today’s promo is by our friend at @PodcastRiddle

Our listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.