Wednesday, December 23, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 12 The St Louis Video Strangler: Maury Travis

 Well, it the very final episode of 2020 and day 12 of our Nightmare Before Christmas series. So far we have traveled back in time and to other countries, like the UK, Australia, and Japan.  In this last episode, we are going into our own backyard.  

A St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter opens an anonymous letter sent to him from someone praising him for a recent story he wrote about a murdered sex worker. However, this was not the normal fan mail as it included a map with an ‘X’ pointing to where the next dead sex worker would be found dead. Authorities go to the site in West Alton unsure of what they would find. Sadly, ‘X’ did mark the spot but this was just the beginning of a sadistic serial killer who wouldn’t stop until he made a mistake on his home computer.


12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 11 On The Death Ward: Genene Jones

 Health care workers are angels walking on this earth. In the last nine months, these angels have been pulling double duty saving the lives of our loved ones and caring for them when they are sick all while trying to take care of themselves. They often hold life and death in their hands and work so hard to save lives. That is what they do...most of them ...but not all. In 1992, there was a nurse in Texas who would prey on the helpless and most innocent of all: babies.

Join Jen and Cam on Day 11 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘On the Death Ward: Genene Jones.’

Our holiday listener discretion is by the very ornamental @octoberpodVHS. Edward is the present we never knew we needed.

All of our music is by the never naughty Nico @wetalkofdreams. This awesome little bell is also our executive producer.

Jen and Cam wish you a very merry holiday season. Love ya, Cam and Jen


Tuesday, December 22, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 10 Hope Forest Murders: Clifford Bartholomew

 On the 10th day of the 12 Nightmare Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen talk about Clifford Bartholomew.

Clifford Bartholomew lived until the ripe old age of 72 and had lived a wonderful life with his wife of twenty-two years and his seven adopted children. When the beloved father and grandfather died, the family knew they would miss him terribly and things would never be the same. What they did not yet know, was the man they loved had a secret and that secret was that he was responsible for one of the worst incidences of a mass family killing in Australia.

Join Jen and Cam on Day 10 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘Hope Forest Murders:Clifford Bartholomew'

Crime and Punishment; 50 Crimes that Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpe,1358515&hl=de,4083367

Monday, December 21, 2020

12 Nightmare Before Christmas Day 9 The Twitter Killer: Takahiro Shiraishi

 Day Nine and we are taking a plane flight to Zama City,  Japan which is a suburb of Toyko and also home to the United States'  Camp Zama Army base.  The story begins with two investigators from the Metropolitan Police Department's Personal Safety-related Case Comprehensive Countermeasures Headquarters and Takao Station. This unit, which usuallt dealt with stalking, had a much different case on this day in October of 2017. A report had been made about a missing woman who was supposed to met a man she had been speaking to on Twitter and had not been seen since departing to meet him.  Police approach the apartment, and, after a knock on the door, a young man answered. When asked if he knew where the missing woman may be, he replied that he did not know. An astute investigator looked beyond the man and noticed a woman’s purse in his apartment. The investigators didn’t have to pressure him for long about the whereabouts of the missing 23 year old. Minutes later he calmly pointed to a freezer and simply said, ‘in there.”  What the investigators could not yet know what just how many bodies they would soon discover.

Join Jen and Cam on day 9 of Our True Crime Podcast’s the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘Twitter Killer: Takahiro Shiraishi.’

That snappy holiday jingle that warns you not to listen if you have a weak heart, that is our very own reindeer Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.

All music is from St. Nico of @wetalkofdreams. He is such a saint to deal with us, we made him our executive producer too.


Sunday, December 20, 2020

12 Nightmare Before Christmas Day 8 The Strathfield Massacre: Wade Frankum

 On August 17, 1991, 33-year-old Wade Frankum wakes for the day. He gets dressed in casual clothes with a beanie on his head and a duffle bag in his hand. Frankum went to the train station to buy a ticket to Strathfield but gave the rail worker, whom he knew, a strange command: "you'd better go home." Frankum then walked away to catch the train to Strathmore, after all, Frankum was on a mission of murder. What would happen later this day would leave a trail of victims and a hero who would rise to the top. 

Join Jen and Cam on day 8 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss 'The Strathfield Massacre: Wade Frankum' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. 

Holly Jolly Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our listener discretion.
Noel Nico @wetalkofdreams does all our music and also is our executive producer.


A huge Thank You to Alan Sharpe. His book was used as my top research for this episode
Crime and Punishment: 50 Crimes that Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpe

Saturday, December 19, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 7 The Trailside Kill: David Carpenter

On August 19 in 1979 Edda Kane went for a hike in a scenic park that overlooked the San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge. Usually Edda would enjoy these hikes with a friend or two but on this particular day, no one wanted to go with her. When Edda did not return home at the time she was expected, her husband called police. Worried that perhaps she fell and hurt herself, the police put together a search team but sadly, they could not locate her. Her body was found the next day, she had been murdered. What authorities did not yet know was this vicious predator was just getting started his stalking in California’s parks.

Join Jen and Cam on Day 7 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘Trailside Killer: David Carpenter’ on this Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener Discretion is by our favorite Frosty the Snowman Edward Octoberpod from @octoberpodVHS.

Our music is from our bestest snowman ever Nico @wetalkofdreams. Nico also executive produces the podcast.

Graysmith, Robert (April 3, 1991), The Sleeping Lady: The Trailside Murders Above the Golden Gate, Onyx, ISBN 978-0451402554

Friday, December 18, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 6 In a Fit of Rage: Leo Held

On the 6th day of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen talk about Leo Held.

Massacres in the workplace have become all too familiar in today’s society, but crimes like these were fairly unheard of in 1967. Sadly that would change one chilly fall morning when Leo Held woke up, got ready for work, kissed his wife goodbye, dropped his children off at school, and then went to his workplace where he unleashed a rampage. The slaughter would not end there as he was not done killing. After all, he was still upset with a few people.

Join Can and Jen as we discuss In a Fit of Rage: Leo Held

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All music, editing, and sound are done by the multitalented and super handsome Nico Vetesse.


Big thanks to Don Sarvey.  He wrote the book Day of Rampage: Model citizen turns cold-blooded killer in a Pennsylvania small town.

He compiled all the news articles from that horrible day and then interviewed many of the survivors in 2011.  Most of the quotes I’ve used today were taken from his hard work,  Blood sweat and tears go into writing a book and I want to get sure he gets all the credit.

Day of Rage: Model Citizen Turns Cold-Blooded Killer in a Pennsylvania Small Town  Don Sarvey

Thursday, December 17, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 5 The Monster You Never Knew: Bernard Eugene Giles

 On December 10 1973, a young man lured two underage hitchhikers into his car and drove them to the outskirts of town. What the man didn’t know is that he picked the wrong two girls to attack that fall evening. The victims fought viciously with the man. Frustrated, the man took out his gun and fired. Shocked and thrown off guard when the gun misfired, the girls made a run for it and escaped. The woman went straight to the police to tell them what happened. They not only gave police a description of the man and his car, but they also had one other piece of information about this stranger. We never want to think our loved one could be evil but as we all know, there is real evil out there and sometimes it is your brother or son. Sometimes the person you love grows up to be a monster you never knew.

Join Jen and Cam on Day 5 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘The Monster You Never Knew: Bernard Eugene Giles.’

Hear that jingle jangle? It’s the amazing Edward October from @octoberpodVHS who does our very special holiday listener discretion.

That catchy theme song is by our multi talented executive producer Nico from @wetalkofdreams.

Happy Holidays! Love ya, Jen and Cam


Wednesday, December 16, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 4 Murders at the Black Bear Inn: Christian Nielsen

 Christian Nielson had moved into the Black Bear Bed & Breakfast in Newry, Maine to start a new job helping out owner Julie Bullard. For his few months on the job, things seemed to be going well for the 31-year-old but over Labor Day weekend, Christian’s father would receive an odd phone call from the young man that would cause alarm. When his father drove to the inn to check on him, alarm turned to shock.

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss The Murders at the Black Bear Inn: Christian Nielson.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas Day 3 A Ghost in the House: Danny LaPlante

Join Jen and Cam on day 3 of The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss 'A Ghost in the House: Daniel LaPlante.'

A Very Special Listener Discretion by Santa's Helper: Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.
That jingle that you are tapping your foot to is courtesy of our Christmas Angel, Nico from @wetalkofdreams. We love him so much, we made him our executive producer too.


 For our third nightmare before Christmas, we are going to Pepperall, Massachusets which is located right outside Boston. Your home is your place of peace. It is the place where you can relax and let down your guard. It is the last place you would expect to come face to face with a monster but in the fall of 1986, this quaint northeastern town would become the stuff of nightmares and all at the hands of a teenager.

Monday, December 14, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christas Day 2 The Perfect Son: Brian Blackwell

 Brian Blackwell was described as a great student with brains, doting parents, and a sense of entitlement. When he wanted a better life for himself, he only needed to do a few things. All of these things would require lies to make his fantasy become his reality. It was just a few little white lies to impress his girlfriend. Not a big deal, after all, no one ever died from those types of lies... no one until July 2004. 

On the 2nd day of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen discuss 18-year-old Brian Blackwell.

Theme music, sound, and editing by the talented Nico Vetesse. If you need any type of music composed, he's amazing!


Sunday, December 13, 2020

12 Nightmares Before Christmas 2020 Day 1The Man That Wouldn't Die: Mike Malloy

You know the old you live by the gun, you die by the gun. This tale has all the makings of a 1930’s film noir gangster movie however these men were not very gangster at all--in fact, they would have to return their membership card if they had one. One is goofier than the next. One of my favorites sayings is “You can’t make this s*it up” and boy does this apply to this story.
The scene opens with a motley crew of rough looking fellas talking over whiskeys and trying to come up with a way to make some fast, easy cash. The date is July 1932 and prohibition was still going strong. The setting is in the Bronx as friends, 27-year-old Anthony ‘Tony’ Marino, a speakeasy proprietor, 28-year-old Joseph "Red" Murphy, a former chemist and current bartender at Marino’s speakeasy, 24-year-old Francis Pasqua, an undertaker who owned a local funeral home, and 29-year-old Daniel Kriesberg, who was a grocer and father of three. The final player is a cab driver named Hersey or Harry Green.
The scene opens as these gentlemen are sitting around in Marino’s speakeasy trying to come up with a no-fail plan to make some fast money. One word: insurance. So begins the tale of Mike Malloy, the man who wouldn’t die. 

This is the 1st Nightmare Before Christmas episode of Our True Crime Podcast’s 3rd Annual ‘12 Nightmares Before Christmas.’ We are coming at you with an episode a day for twelve days prior to Christmas helping you ring in the holiday season with a little something for true crime listeners to enjoy as they wrap, shop, cook, clean, and do all the holiday things.
Make sure to tune in each day to catch another episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we count down the days to Christmas.
As always our special holiday listener discretion is from the holy Edward Octoberpod from @octoberpodVHS. Check him out.
All music is from our main angel Nico from @wetalkofdream. We love him so much, we made him our executive producer. We put a ring on it.

Friday, December 11, 2020

106. The Monster in Front of You: Nathaniel White

 He is handsome, well dressed, and polite but most of all he showers you with all the attention that you could ever need. You find yourself falling in love with this amazing guy and maybe, just perhaps, it is with your deep love for him, that you can’t see what is right in front of your eyes because standing right there in front of you is someone that you would truly never really know or want to know. This is the story of serial killer Nathaniel White.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “The Monster In Front of You: Nathaniel White.”

Promo is by Always Time For True Crime podcast @ATFTCPodcast
Our Listener Discretion is by our favorite groovy elf, Edward October @octoberpodVHS.
Our Executive Producer and Composer is from the OTCP Angel, Nico @wetalkofdreams.



Friday, December 4, 2020

105. The Soham Murders: Holly Wells & Jessica Chambers Murdered by Ian Huntley



 On August 4, 2002, best friends Jessica and Holly enjoyed a day together after being apart for 2 weeks.  At 8 pm, Holly's mother goes to check on the girls. They had disappeared.

After 2 weeks of what would be one of the U.K.'s largest searches, the two girl's bodies were found. So was the monster who had killed them.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the horrible murders of two sweet, young girls.  

Promo by our friends at The Dumb Found Dead Podcast

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Producer and theme music by ever-amazing Nico Vetesse.

I'd like to give a huge shout out to the following books.  Without them, I couldn't have done this episode correctly.  Although any words I mispronunciations are all my fault. :) I strongly recommend all of these if you want a much deeper dive into this horrible case.  Warning: grab a box of tissues and prepare to be angry.

Goodbye, Dearest Holly: Ten Years On by Kevin Wells

Beyond Evil - Inside the Twisted Mind of Ian Huntley. John Blake.

Flowers In Gods Garden by Bernard O`Mahoney

more sources:

104. Cold Justice: Sonya Ivanoff


 19-year-old Sonya Ivanoff was a standout in her small community of Nome Alaska. Sonja, who moved to Nome about two years prior, had made a name for herself on the basketball court in high school so almost everyone knew Sonya. On the evening of August 10, 2003, Sonja and her friend went out to have some fun. It was near midnight when the friends separated to do other things. When the roommate woke up the next morning and Sonja was not at home, worry set in. Police launch an investigation but with only a 7 person police team, specialists had to be flown in. Officers were working day and night to find out what happened to Sonya. When the truth finally came out, it was not only shocking but had been right in front of them the whole time.

Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Cold Justice: Sonya Ivanoff’on this week’s episode.

Promo by our friends Emily and Eileen who join forces to bring you their brand new podcast entitled ‘The Shattered Window,’ an investigative true-crime podcast series hosted by Emily G. Thompson & Eileen Macfarlane.

Listener discretion is by the host with the most, Edward October, from @octoberpodVHS

All our original music is by our executive producer and editor (also a terrific human being) Nico from @wetalkofdreams


Friday, November 13, 2020

103. Stark Raving Mad: George Trepal

 It is 1988 and we are going to Florida in a town called Alturas where a man received a strange and anonymous letter in the mail.  The note which had been typed stated, “ You and all your so-called family have 2 weeks to move out of Florida forever or else you will all die. This is no joke.”  At first, they believed this to be a prank but they would soon be proved wrong. What they didn’t yet know is how many would die and who in the world would ever have a problem with this nice suburban family.
Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Stark Raving Mad: George Trepal’ on this edition of Our True Crime Podcast.

Listener Discretion is by the smooth talking Edward October @octoberpodVHS.

All Music, Editing and Exeutive P’ing is by Never the Sloucher Nico @wetalkofdreams.


Wednesday, November 4, 2020

102. Through an Open Window: Sandy Jeffers

 In 2003, Sandy Jeffers had the world on a string.  She was set to receive her 2nd undergraduate degree and was planning to start the doctoral program at the University of Tennessee in the fall.

Sandy was a sweet, young woman, the type of person that people like to be around.  

Unfortunately, Sandy caught the attention of someone she didn't know.  Someone that she wouldn't know until it was too late.


Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Through an Open Window: Sandy Jeffers.

If you are in need of help, please reach out and get help.

Victim Connect: 1-855-4VICTIM (1-855-484-2846)
National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1−800−799−7233 or TTY 1−800−787−3224 En EspaƱol
The National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-HOPE (4673)


Saturday, October 31, 2020

101. The Werewolf Butcher: Jack Spillman

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It is April 13, 1995, when the daughter of 48 year old Rita Huffman was trying to reach her mom who was not answering the phone. Her sister, 15 year old Amanda was not asnwering the phone either making it especially strange since teens love the phone. Since she felt that something was not right, she headed over to the house to check on her mom and sister. When she arrived the front door was locked so she went into the backyard and entered through the sliding glass door. Once she entered the house, she would find a vicious brutal crime scene. A monster had paid and visit to this innocent, beautiful family.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss The Werewolf Butcher: Jack Spillman.

Promo is from our friend Jack Luna @real_leroy_luna and his new podcast EXCUSE ME, THAT’S ILLEGAL

Listener Discretion by our friend with the mystical, magical voice: Edward October @octroberpodVHS

Our music is produced by our executive producer Nico from @wetalkofdreams

Sources: (special thanks to Dee Riggs who did a great article)
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Check out Evil Lives Here for an enlightening look into the killer's life told by his sisters. Season 7, Ep. 12

 *Warning: this episode is extremely graphic. It deals with the death of a child and animal mutilation. Discretion is advised. 

Tuesday, October 20, 2020

100. Where Have You Gone, Charming Billy: William "Billy" McGrath

 When someone claiming to be millionaire interior designer Billy McGrath calls Billy's financial advisor, police are called. Friends and family haven't seen Billy in two weeks and are very concerned.   
Police learn that Billy had been living in fear.  Did someone hurt Billy or did he go on the run?

Join Cam & Jen as we discuss Where Have You Gone, Charming Billy?: William "Billy" McGrath

Promo by our friend Paige of Reverie Podcast

Listener Discretion by Edward OctoberpodVHS\]

Producer and all Music by Nico Vettese





Billy McGrath's truck
Map of where to find Billy McGrath's body


99. The Trouble with Alice: Alice Crimmins


The year is 1965 and Alice Crimmins is not like most of the women of the time as she is about to be a divorced woman with two small children, 4-year-old Alice Marie who went by Missy, and 5-year-old Eddie.  She dressed well and had style, ladies wanted to be friends with her and men wanted to marry her. She was the envy of almost all of them-- that was-- until something happened that summer day and now, no one would ever want to trade places with Alice.  It was July 14, 1965, when Alice went into the bedroom to wake Missy and Eddie only to see they were not still in their messy unmade beds. Instead, the window was wide open as the sheers were blowing in the wind. Her babies were missing but who could have or would have done such a horrible thing?

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Trouble with Alice’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

The promo is by our good friend Mike @brewcrime who launched a new podcast with Emma @truecrimewitch called #trail of destruction. Check them out: @Destructioncast

LD is by our hauntingly horrific @octoberpodVHS If you haven’t listened, it has the perfect chill in the ear.

Our editor, executive producer, and a great all-around chap is courtesy of Nico @wetalkofdreams. You need talent in your life or your podcast, you must check him out.

Investigation Discovery series A Crime to Remember episode, "Go Ask Alice", aired in 2013

Wednesday, October 7, 2020

98. That Girl is Poison: Mary Clement


Known as the "Great Equalizer", Arsenic has been used for thousands of years to get rid of one's enemy.  It's tasteless, odorless and easily slipped into one's food.

Roman Emperor Nero was suspected of using arsenic to seize the throne from his stepbrother’s throne in the 1st Century,

The aristocratic 16th-century family, the Borgia's, were well known for killing off their political opponents with this naturally found element.

Many women have also used arsenic to escape their marriages when divorce was impossible. Not only was it readily available, but it was also hard to detect in the day.

Join Cam and Jen as we discuss That Girl Is Poison: Mary Clement.  

Today's episode was researched and written by E.J. Hammon
E.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of a brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology.  (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunction

Promo is Crimes and Consequences @tntcrimes

Listener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhs

Produced and musical score by the extremely talented and OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitesse


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Hempel, Sarah. “What’s Your Poison?” (2013, June 8) Daily Mail.
Lindley, Robin. “Arsenic: Victorians’ Secret.” Crosscut. 2010, September 2.
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Schutze, James. “Preacher’s Girl.” pp. 40-41. New York. William Morrow and
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Smith, Roger. “Arsenic: A Murderous History.” Dartmouth.

St. Estephe. “Marie ‘Mary’ Clement.” Unknown Misandry. 2011, September 22.

97. The Disappearance of Jack

 It is October 3, 1999, when Lt. Cliff Mathews reports to a nearby residence to take a report about a missing man. A young woman answers the door and informs the officer that 71-year-old Jack Irwin has not checked in with anyone and it had been several weeks since she had heard from him. The woman explained that she had only known Jack for about 7 months. During that time, she would help Jack around the house like cooking and cleaning as well as run errands. She tells the officer that she last saw Jack when she dropped him off at the Metrolink station at 5 pm on Sept 13. She explained that Jack was going to take the Metrolink into LA where he was going to catch another train from Los Angeles to Seattle. The story only gets more strange from here.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘The Disappearance of Jack.’

As always, our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our listener’s discretion at the top of the pod.

All of our episodes are edited by the amazingly talented (and recently award-nominated) Nico from @wetalkofdreams.  He also does all the original music and is our executive producer too.


Thursday, September 24, 2020

96. The Murder of Little Rosie


Hartlepool, England, June 30th, 1994, little 3-year-old Rosie walked to the ice cream van, bought a treat, and never came back home.

***It has been brought to my attention that I have mispronouced the name Hartlepool  My apologies***

Join Cam and Jen as we discuss our first listener suggested case, The Murder of Little Rosie.

Listener discretion by Edward "The Voice" Octoberpod

Producer and music by the amazing Nico Vettese

Promo by New West West Radio Theatre


Wednesday, September 23, 2020

95. Killer in Steel City


It is a Saturday afternoon on January 5, 2002, when Michael Gerboc drove to the floral store he owned with his partner florist, Ed Kirby, to check up Ed and the store. When Michael arrived and called out for Ed, he didn’t get a response but soon he finds Ed. Ed Kirby, age 48, is on the ground surrounded by a pool of blood. The popular florist had been murdered. He had been shot execution-style in the back of the head so he never saw it coming. A 9-millimeter shell was located nearby. His wallet was missing and the cash register was empty. Michael was devastated. Sadly this would not be the only murder this ruthless coward would be responsible for but there was one final shock that would leave many in disbelief. 

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss Killer in Steel City in this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.
As always, our favorite partners in crime help us in all our episodes. Edward October does our creepy listener discretion: @octoberpodVHS Check out his storytelling which will be perfect to listen to as we roll into fall. Nico from @wetalkofdreams does all our original music but, as our editor, also makes us sound good and we all know how difficult that task has to be.

Sources: (also check out the episode!)

94. Breaking Point: Mary Ann Holder

Desperate and depressed with the feeling of being overwhelmed is way too real for a lot of us. This is a case when the worst that can happen, does. 

Listen to Cam and Jen discuss the events that lead to Mary Ann Holder's breaking point.

In the United States call 1-800-273-8255

for all other countries,  here is a list of numbers International Suicide Hotlines by Country

This episode was researched and written by E.J. Hammon

E.J. Hammon is a North Carolina writer who is fascinated with serial crime and the psychology behind it. With over a decade of experience writing her blog Confessions of a Bundyphile,

E.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology.  (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunction


Listener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhs

Produced and musical score by the extremely talented and one of OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitesse


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Huffington Post. (2012, December 19) "Mass Shooting Psychology: Spree Killers Have Consistent Profile, Research Shows." 

Investigation Discovery. (2017, September 28) "Psychology of a Murder-Suicide: What makes a person kill, then kill themselves"  

Simmons, D. (2019, July 2) "7 Facts about Alienation of Affection in North Carolina." Sodoma Law.

Skerrett, P. (2012, September 24) "Suicide often not preceded by warnings." 

"Spree Killer," Wikipedia.

WBTV News. (2011, November 22) "Stalking, nude photos and court filings preceded 7 shootings, 4 deaths. 

Wireback, T. (2012, November 12) "Mary Ann Holder homicides left scars survivors still feel."

Wireback, T. (2011, December 11) "Who was the real Mary Ann Holder?"

93. Living a Lie: Mary and Chester Burge


Today we are going back in time where things were a bit more simple. There was no internet or cable tv and children played outside unsupervised until the street lamps came on. Everyone went to church on Sundays in their Sunday best and the American dream was to get married to your true love, own a house, and have 2.5 kids. The year is 1960 and we are going to pay a visit to Macon, Georgia and while a lot has changed in the past 60 years, some things never change like greed, lust, and murder. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'Living a Lie: Mary and Chester Burge' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Just like always, our listener discretion is provided by the dreamy voiced Edward October from @octoberpodVHS and all our awesome (original) music and editing is provided by Nico from @wetalkofdreams. 


Sunday, September 13, 2020

92 Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt: The Hendricks Family Murders

On November 7, 1983, David Hendricks was out of state on a business trip. Unable to reach his family, Bloomington Illinois Police were sent to do a welfare check.  Inside the house, officers were shocked to find David's  Susan, his three young children brutally murdered in their beds.

Police didn't like the way David handled the news but did that make him a murderer?

Join Jen and Cam as they discuss Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt: The Hendricks Family Murders

Our listener discretion by the infamous Edward of Octoberpodvhs fame.

and Nico Vettese is our Producer.  He wrote the music and in charge of editing and sound.  He's amazing!


Wednesday, August 26, 2020

91. Shattered Memory

 On Feb 21, 2005, a call comes into Miami 911 dispatch from a man who says there is a woman, unconscious in a vacant lot with what looks to be a head wound. She has no clothes on and is clinging to life. Officials were sure the person who did this thought she was dead or near death when he dumped her in the vacant lot. As she gained her strength, the victim was able to write down her name as well as some other details for police but she could not remember exactly what happened to her or who did it. Can police figure out who committed this brutal crime before he can strike again? Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Shattered Memory’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

Check out the promo at the end of the episode from our friend Edward from @octoberpodVHS.
All the music of our show is from the wildly talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much, we made him our executive producer too!


Wednesday, July 15, 2020

90. When Hell Came To The 2nd Floor: The UpStairs Lounge Arson

On the night on June 24, 1973 around 8pm, someone set fire to the UpStairs Lounge a gay bar located in the French Quarter of New Orleans. Thirty-two people lost their lives.

Many think the police failed to really investigate the arson. The official cause is still listed as "undetermined origin", but many believe it was a man that was thrown out of the bar earlier that night.

Almost 50 years later is it still one of New Orleans' deadliest fires. Up until the Pulse Nightclub shooting in 2016, it was the deadliest incident in the history of violence against the LGBTQ community. 

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Buddy Rasmussen & Adam

Plaque to commemorate the victims of the fire

A huge THANK YOU to Edward of Octoberpodvhs for the much needed listener discretion


Nico of for the amazing music and sound/editing.


Wednesday, July 8, 2020

89. The Lakewood Monster

Today we are headed to the Pacific Northwest to just a bit south of Seatle Washington to a town by the name of Lakewood. Lakewood is home to McChord Air Force Base with lots of its residents supported by the base, many of the residents know one another or at least knows a friend of a friend. The small community of around 59,000 people love the area and feel safe here that is until July 4, 1996, that would all change as a monster would pay a visit to Lakewood and change it forever.

Promo is from our friends at Forgotten News Podcast @NewsForgotten
Listener discretion is from Edward October  @OctoberpodVHS
Music is by the extremely talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams and hey, he is so awesome, he is also our Executive Producer.


88. Just A Simple Plan: Carl Patton

It is December 20, 1977, when two hunters, out for the afternoon looking to bring home some ducks for Christmas dinner, stumble upon something. Unfortunately for them, that something was not a holiday feast but the body of a woman who, from the looks of it, had been out there for a while.  The men called the police immediately and due to the location, two responding counties arrive, Fayette County and Clayton County. As officers look closer they can easily see what was the cause of death: two gunshot wounds to her head.  As officers are working to secure the scene and collect evidence, it doesn’t take long to notice something else. They see it is a sleeping bag, but when they pull it from the water, they know it is not empty. Once on the banks, another female body is discovered inside the sleeping bag. Investigators are in shock but this case was far from over.

Join Jen and Cam from Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss this week’s episode, ‘Just a Simple Plan.’

There is a brand new promo from our BFF Edward October from @octoberpodVHS. Check him out for some great storytelling.  Edward is the coolest and always does our listener’s discretion too.

Our other bestie, Nico from We Talk of Dreams, does all our music and also happens to be our executive producer.

Wednesday, June 10, 2020

SPECIAL: Victims of Injustice: Black Lives Matter

***NOTE:This episode is completely different than normal. OTCP, along with 19 other podcasters from around the world, came together to stand with the BLM movement.  Although we had a very small part in the making of this episode, we are so thrilled to be part of it.

**All proceeds from this episode will be donated to The Loveland Foundation Therapy Fund.

As podcasters, we have a platform and duty to speak up and call out injustice. In light of the murder of George Floyd, we have come together in solidarity to use our platform to speak up against racial injustice and amplify the voices of black podcasters that deserve more recognition. Racism is prevalent in all industries; from the media who under-report on black victims to the justice system which routinely fails black victims. In this collaborative episode, we document black history and current events with the voices of those who have lived through it.
Special thanks to:
Tasha from Sinister Silhouettes
Andre and Battle from Bruh Issa Murder
Serena from Handcuffed Podcast
Aaron from True Crime? Never Heard of it
Rashad from Blood and Firewater
Alimat from Hard Truths
JiJi from Noir True Crime Files
Written by: CrimeLapse, Morbidology, Sinister Silhouettes, Bruh Issa Murder, Handcuffed Podcast, True Crime? Never Heard of it, Blood and Firewater, Hard Truths Podcast, Noir True Crime Files and All Things Eeerie
Produced by: CrimeLapse and Morbidology
Graphics by: Death by Champagne
Thanks to: Reverie: True Crime Podcast, Evidence of a Crime, All Things Eeerie, It’s Murder Up North, The True Crime Witch, Writing About Crime, Death by Champagne, Murder She Spoke, Murder and More, Always Time for True Crime, Malice, Hometown Homicide, Brew Crime, Our True Crime Podcast
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