Wednesday, November 30, 2022

192. The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy

 ****This is a brutal episode.  Listener discretion is advised ****

In April of 1973, on Friday the 13th, Elsie Ralph was at work, bartending at the Punch Bowl Tavern in the Rainbow Hill district of Worcester, England. 

At closing time, her husband came to pick her up and left their three young children at home with their lodger, David McGreavy.

Elsie, Dawn, Paul and Samantha

As the couple approached their home, they were met by police, informing them that they could not enter their home. Elsie panicked and begged to know why. The police officer gravely told them, “There’s been a murder.”  The police would not immediately share with the couple precisely who had been murdered or the details of the crime. Elsie became hysterical, and an ambulance medic gave her a sedative. 

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'The Monster of Worcester: David McGreavy'

David McGreavy

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Saturday, November 26, 2022

191. The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich

 We are headed to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, a resort town in the Midwest. The summer tourist season is about to kick off. The popular destination is located on Geneva Lake and has been popular for years, with everyone from the elite to kids hitting up the water parks. On June 5, 2014, a call came into the Walworth County Sheriff's Department at about 3:20 pm. The dispatch informed them that laying on the side of Como Road, were two suitcases discovered by a local farmer. The farmer attempted to move them, but as he approached, the smell let him know that he needed to call the police. As police arrived on the scene, they located two suitcases, a black one with plenty of insect activity on it and a purple one. Police unzipped the black one and discovered the body of a female inside. Even though the body was badly decomposed, it was a female, and her body was intact. There was a ball gag in her mouth attached to her head by a strap. Around her neck, there was a rope with both of her hands behind her body. It would take a while to find out who was responsible but they would find him.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss ‘The Suitcase Killer: Steven Zelich.’

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Wednesday, November 16, 2022

190. A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming

 On July 25th, 1980, a couple looked out the window and saw a   young woman running toward their apartment. She had long blond hair, and she was covered in blood. She was also naked from the waist down with her bikini top pulled over her breasts.  The man says to his wife, “If she’s running like that, somebody’s chasing her.” As the girl knocked on the door, Robert swung it open. “Help me,” she muttered and then collapsed onto to the porch. The couple called 911, and Robert covered her up with a sheet.

Police and rescue showed up within minutes. The ambulance whisked the girl off to the hospital while police followed the blood trail across the road to the back door of the apartment on Yale. They had found the crime scene and had identified the victim as Mary Michelle “Mickey” Fleming.

With witnesses coming forward, police are able to identify the killer as Anthony Joe LaRette. 

After he was sentenced, Tony would start confessing to 30 other murders.

Mary Michelle Fleming

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss A Serial Killer Walked In: The Death of Mary Michelle Fleming

A big thank you to our team:

Anthony Joe LaRette

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189. Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs

 It was Thursday, May 19, 1983, at 10:48 pm when a red Nissan pulled up to the  McKenzie-Willamette Hospital emergency room drop-off door honking the horn repeatedly. A blonde woman hops out of the car, screaming for help, and points to her car. Someone shot my kids, she yelled. Nurses Rose Martin and Shelby Day ran to the car and were momentarily stunned, noticing all the blood inside the vehicle. Inside there were three small children, one in the front seat and two in the backseat. When confronted with what was in front of them, hospital staff were called to come into the ER to help assist.  Dr. John Mackey, the physician in charge, called the hospital’s number one surgeon Dr. Fred Whilhite came back to work because it was bad, it was very bad. Chest wounds to children and the conditions were grave. The girl in the front seat seemed to be already gone, but the ER staff tried desperately to bring her back to life, but it was too late; she would be pronounced dead in the ER. While the two in the backseat were still alive, they were struggling to breathe. The staff continued to try to save the other two children. They were not sure if they could be saved; with the gunshot wounds, each had severe loss of blood. To try to make breathing better for them, each was given a tracheotomy.  So far, what they were doing was working; the children were alive and seemed to be stable. What was more important was why would anyone do this and, more importantly, who? 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Sins of the Mother: Diane Downs.”

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Wednesday, November 2, 2022

188.The Missing Women of Yonne

 About two hours from Paris, the body of 23-year-old Sylviane Lesage was found in a pasture. The case fell into the hands of Constable Christian Jambert.  He was considered an outstanding policeman and a dogged investigator for the National Gendarmerie. 

Sylviane Lasage

Christian Jambert

Constable Jambert began hearing stories of girls that had gone missing in and around Auxerre in the Department of Yonne, just up the road from Rouvray. But they weren’t just any girls. They were teenagers and students, children of the DDASS or Dahs. The missing girls were either foster children who were given up at birth or children who lived in a home for the disabled. They either had no immediate biological family, or their families could not care for them.

Besides the school, the girls had one thing in common. Bus driver Emile Louis.

Emile Louis

Join Jen & Cam as they discuss The Missing Women of Yonne.

P.S. Please excuse Jen's French pronunciations. 

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Researched and written by Lauretta Allen

Also, a HUGE shout out to Julian the Frenchman on YouTube. He helped a heck of a lot.


Thursday, October 27, 2022

187. The Stranger in my Home: Carolina Killer

 It is December 23, 1999, in Easley, South Carolina, located right outside Greenville. People were getting ready to celebrate the holidays by cooking, cleaning, and wrapping goodies for loved ones. One of those getting ready to welcome family for a celebration was 87-year-old Martha Browning. Martha was always a hard worker and started working at the local mill at 12 years old. Like most grandmothers, Martha loved her family and fed them until they burst. As Martha was prepping for company, her 34-year-old granddaughter Deanna Tinsley came to town a bit early to help her out, and others would be arriving throughout the day. Her home was a place of love and welcomed anyone that wanted to come by. As the two of them were taking a moment to relax before the hustle began again, a man walked into the home and sat down in a chair.  The beginning of a real-life nightmare is about to start for these two ladies, but little did they know this was the last stop for a man responsible for the unthinkable. 

Join Jen and Cam on “Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss “The Stranger in my Home:Carolina Killer” 

LD by the fantastic Edward October from @octoberpodVHS                          

All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdream           


Wednesday, October 19, 2022

186. Gatekeeper of Hell: Pazuzu Algarad

 Today's episode is a Listener Request!  Thanks to Christina Young for her request.

Down the road from Costco, past the Hobby Lobby, and the Chick-fil-A. stood a home on Knob Hill Drive that was in stark contrast to its surroundings. It was filthy and run-down, with a stench that assaulted people before they even reached the front porch. 

Once you made it to the porch, visitors were welcomed with a black door covered with symbols of a skull, crossbones, and an inverted cross. A community watch area sign warned that police were not welcome. “Evil Will Triumph” was written in bold white capital letters.

This was the home of Pazuzu Algarad. A self-proclaimed satanist who filed his teeth to sharp points and drank the blood of animals during the “dark moon.” He allowed—and even encouraged—people to engage in drug use, orgies, and murder, in his own home.

He's also was responsible for the deaths of Joshua Frederick Wetzler and Tommy Dean Welch, along with being convicted for accessory after the fact for the death of Joseph Emmrick Chandler.

Join Jen and Cam as they discuss The Gatekeeper of Hell: Pazuzu Algarad

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Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese

Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


Thursday, October 13, 2022

185. Children of Thunder: Cult of Killers

 We are headed to a small town named Woodacre which is located right outside of San Francisco, California. It is Marin County which is beautiful if you have never been there, truly postcard pretty. The town is a small community where the center of the action is a bar named The Paper Mill Saloon where the locals meet to catch up and unwind. Bartender Jennifer Villarin worked hard to make all the patrons welcome.  It was August 2nd, 2000 and Jim had brought Jenny dinner and Jenny closed up the bar around 11 pm. The two made their way home. It was right around 5 am when the neighborhood heard gunshots ring out. The police were called to the residence and arrived on the scene to discover two people had been shot and killed. The studio apartment was located behind a house, meaning that the killer had to know that an apartment was located. Jim Gamble's body was on the ground next to the bed as if he got out of bed when he was shot. Jenny was in bed. Both had no clothes on. The only evidence that they found was 9 mm-caliber gunshot shells which they believe came from a semi-automatic pistol. Two were used for Jenny and four were used for Jim.  The community was in shock as no one could imagine killing this much loved couple. Before all is said and done, there would be five victims and a bizarre tale of worship, fraud and murder. 

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Children of Thunder: Cult Killers.”

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Saturday, October 8, 2022

184. Bellevue Murders: The Wilson Family

 On January 4th, 1997, two eight-year-old boys were playing in the park when they came upon what they thought was a pile of clothing. When they realized it was a body, they ran to tell their parents, who immediately called the police

After identifying the body as twenty-year-old Kim Wilson, police go to the Wilson residence to notify her family. When Detective Gomes arrived at the house, he saw cars in the driveway and all the Christmas lights twinkling, but no one answered the door. Walking around the house, he noticed the sliding door was ajar. Detective Gomes goes in prepared for a robbery; he is shocked to find the rest of Kim's family was killed in a brutal attack.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the Bellevue Murders: The Wilson Family.

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Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


Friday, September 30, 2022

183. Little Girls Lost: The Lyon Sisters

 It is a parent’s worst nightmare. The abduction of a child is more than traumatic but what if two of your children simply disappeared. That is precisely what happened on March 25, 1975, when  12-year-old Sheila Lyon and her little sister, 10-year-old Katherine departed from their home to walk ½ mile to the local shopping mall in Wheaton, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, DC.  The girls made it to the mall but never made it home, they would never be seen again.  This case has many twists and turns, but a dogged investigator and his team refused to give up. This is the story of The Lyon Sisters.


Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Little Girls Lost: The Lyon Sisters.”


Listener discretion by the remarkably talented Edward October from @octoberpodVHS             



All music is by our fabulous executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams                                                                                     


A big thanks to Mark Bowden and his book The Last Stone which did a great job telling the story of Katie and Sheila Lyon. Get it wherever you get your books or on Amazon as a Kindle or Audible edition. 




Bowden, Mark (April 2, 2019). The Last Stone. New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, an imprint of Grove/Atlantic. ISBN 9780802147301.

‘Who Killed the Lyon Sisters”

Thursday, September 22, 2022

182. Romana Wilson, MMIWG and the Highway of Tears

 Situated in the middle of a wild and beautiful outdoor playground, the town of

Smithers, British Columbia, Canada, rests at the foot of the luminous Hudson Bay

Mountain. The town is located halfway between Prince George and Prince Rupert along

the 450-mile evergreen-lined Highway 16. Currently, most of the inhabitants of Smithers

are of European descent. The First Nations people, notably the Wet’suwet’en, called this land home for thousands of years. Now there are only about 8% of the current population are First Nations people.

And even though the entire area of the Bulkley Valley is untamed, wild, and

peacefully scenic, there is another, darker side of the valley. All along Highway 16 are

billboards with the following warning: Girls Don’t Hitchhike on the Highway of Tears.

Killer on the Loose.

Ramona Wilson was sixteen and a member of the Gitxsan nation.  She was looking forward to going to a dance with several of her friends on a cool and calm evening in June of 1994, but she never made it to the dance. She simply vanished into the inky-blue twilight.

Unfortunately, she's not the only one.

Join Cam & Jen as we discuss Ramona Wilson, MMIWG, and the Highway of Tears.

If you have any info about Ramona Wilson or any of the other  women mentioned in this episode, please call the British Columbia Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

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Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


Monday, September 12, 2022

181. The Missing Girls: Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis

 It is  Jan. 9, 2002, in Oregon City, Oregon, 12-year-old Ashley Pond left her home to walk to the bus stop for Gardiner Middle School. Ashley was hurrying as she was going to be late and miss the bus stop, which was located approximately 10 minutes from her home. Ashley was popular in school but what she loved most was dance. She was on the school’s dance team, The Fallen Angels. The team would be rehearsing that day for the big competition they had coming up. Since she was late, Ashley started running as she didn’t want to miss school.  Little did her loved ones know that she would never get to the bus or arrive at school. Ashley simply disappeared, and she would not be the only one.

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled The Missing Girls: Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis.

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Music and EP by @wetalkofdreams                          


O'Neal, Linda; Watson, Rick; Tennyson, Philip (2007). The Missing Girls: A Shocking True Story of Abduction and Murder. Macmillan. ISBN 978-0-312-94161-1.

SPECIAL: Our Precious Hope Revisited: St. Louis' Little Jane Doe

 Back in 2018, we covered this case with our first episode of The 12 Nightmares before Christmas. It is the most infamous unsolved murder in the state of Missouri. The case is open, and the child's identity is still unknown.

It was February 1983 when two men enter the basement of 5635 Clemens Avenue, a derelict and vacant apartment building in northwest St. Louis, and stumble upon a grisly scene that would haunt the authorities and the community for years. 

The 40th year anniversary is upon us, and a St. Louis local is fighting to get St Louis’ Jane Doe, known as Precious Hope, not only her name but the justice she deserves. 

Listen now on this special Our True Crime Podcast episode as we speak to Edrar ‘Bird’ Sosa, director of the documentary “Our Previous Hope Revisited: St Louis’ Jane Doe,” which is premiering on Amazon Prime on September 15, 2022. 

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180. Hell Ride: The Murder of Hannah Cornelius

****Content Warning**** Sexual Assault****

Cape Town, South Africa: In the early hours of May 27, 2017, Hannah Cornelius drove her friend Cheslin Marsh home after a night out. Before Cheslin could say goodbye, four men hijacked the car at knifepoint and kidnapped the two Stellenbosch University students. 

Cheslin was beaten with bricks and left to die. The gang members brutally assaulted Hannah and then murdered her in a senseless, brutal, and barbaric attack.

The gang members would then go on a crime spree in Hannah's car until the police finally caught them.

Please join Cam and Jen as we discuss Hell Ride: Hannah Cornelius. 

**Jen apologizes in advance if she pronounced anything incorrectly.  She really tried!

A HUGE thank you to Nicole from True Crime South Africa for helping us get the court documents.

Thanks to the OTCP team

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Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese

Researched and written by Lauretta Allen


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***The Court Transcript from the Trial***

Wednesday, August 24, 2022

179. Fighting for Katie Palmer: An Interview with John Palmer

 Earlier this month, Cam and Jen sat down with John Palmer and discussed the tragic accident that took his wife Katie's life. 

​April 21st, 2020, in Denison, Texas, situated on the border of Oklahoma. Thirty-eight-year-old Katie Palmer decided to take an early morning walk with her husband, John Palmer,   hoping to see the nesting spot for a bird known as a killdeer.

As the couple was returning home, they walked along Glenwood Drive at 7:45 A.M, on the left-hand side, facing the traffic, as pedestrians are supposed to do in Texas. Glenwood Drive also did not have dividing paint lines; it’s just an open road where drivers know to stay on their side. It’s wide, it’s flat, and there is nothing on it to hinder a person’s view. The sightline is over 600 feet, and the maximum speed limit is 30 miles per hour.

​About 1/5th of a mile from their home, a Ford F-250 pickup truck crossed from the right-hand side of the road to the left-hand side of the road and struck Katie and John as they were walking. The vehicle struck Katie and Josh with such force that it knocked them out of their shoes. Katie landed 75 feet away, and John landed 70 feet away. For a little context, 75 feet is equivalent to the height of a six to seven-story building.  Katie wouldn't survive.

The driver of the truck, a neighbor named Cory Foster, has a driving record filled with DUIs, speeding, and reckless driving, yet he was able to walk away from this scot-free. 

Everything about Katie's case has been mishandled. Trust us, it will get your blood boiling. 

Thank you to John Palmer for coming to the show. We know the road to justice is exhausting, but we will stand beside you in your journey and fight.

Please go to the following links for more information and updates on Katie's case.

Justice For Katie Palmer Facebook page.

Justice For Katie Palmer website

Justice For Katie Palmer on Twitter


If you would like to donate in Katie's name:

The Katie Palmer Project: 

Hagerman National Wildlife Reserve:

Monday, August 22, 2022

178. Hiding in Plain Sight: Henry Wallace

 As little kids, we are scared of monsters and things that go bump in the night.  We hear stories about big scary, hairy creatures that would get you if you weren’t being good. You had to always be aware of your surroundings and,  of course, beware stranger danger.  We grow up and imagine that bad guys are like the ones in the movies. But what if the monster was nothing like that, what if they were kind and helpful. What if they were your good friend? What if the monster was hiding in plain sight?

Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled "Hiding in Plain Sight: Henry Wallace."

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Music/Ep @wetalkofdreams


Thursday, August 11, 2022

The Boys In Barking: Anthony, Gabriel, Daniel, & Jack

On September 20th, 2014, dog walker Barbara Denham entered the walled graveyard of St. Margaret of Antioch church in Barking, London. She saw a young man sitting up against the cemetery wall amidst the ruins of the old abbey. As Ms. Denham approached, the young man never reacted or indicated that he heard her or the collie. Hesitantly, she walked over and found that twenty-one-year-old Daniel Whitworth was dead. Ms. Denham immediately phoned the police saying, “I was the same woman that found the other body a few weeks ago. I found another young boy.”

Join Jen and Cam as they talk about how the murderous and lascivious behavior of Stephen Port would go unchecked by authorities. The investigation has been described as "One of the most widespread institutional failures in modern history" In fact, had it not been for the sisters of his last victim, Jack Taylor, he would have likely continued killing.

Thanks to the OTCP team Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at Producer and theme music by Nico Vettese Researched and written by Lauretta Allen