154. The Pottery Cottage Murders

The second week of 1977, England saw the coldest January in 14 years.  
Low pressure carried from northern Europe brought heavy snowfall across the UK.  
On January 12th, 1977, 28-year-old Billy Hughes was to appear at Chesterfield Magistrates Court on charges of rape and assault.  

Hughes had other plans. He wasn't going back to prison no matter what the cost. Pulling a stolen knife out from his boots, Billy stabs the guards, orders them out of the car, and makes his escape. Due to high speed and cold, wet roads, he crashed the car. Hughes wasted no time running across the moors in search of a place to hide.
As police officers were scrambling to find him with the help of sniffer dogs, Hughes had stumbled upon a house called Pottery Cottage, isolated in rural Eastmoor.

Hughes would hold a family of five hostage for the next few days. Only one would survive.

Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the Pottery Cottage Murders. Thank you to our friend and listener Louise for requesting this case.
*****Warning***** Jen talks about an oven fire and if she should thro flour on the flames. DO NOT do this.  The flour will catch fire and make things worse. This was bad advice that was passed down to her. Be safe. Thank you Neville for correcting us.

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Express Archives
“The Deadly Heroes”, April 28, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_04_28_003?fileType=PDF
“Axe Wife’s New Life, With Jim”, Nov 25, 1978 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1978_11_25_003?fileType=PDF
“He’s Left Me Nothing”, Jan 17, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_17_001?fileType=PDF
“The Killer”, Jan 17, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_17_002?fileType=PDF
“The Survivor”, Jan 17, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_17_003?fileType=PDF
“I Shopped For Killer”, Jan 18, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_18_001?fileType=PDF
“Moor Killer”, Jan 18, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_18_002?fileType=PDF
“Killer’s burial stopped”, Jan 25, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_01_25_002?fileType=PDF
“Moors murder CID boss quits”, Feb 2, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_02_02_002?fileType=PDF
“Coroner spares Gill Moran”, March 9, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_03_09_015?fileType=PDF
“Rees faces new row over Hughes”, March 10, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_03_10_009?fileType=PDF
“Hughes: The ‘lost’ warning”, March 11, 1977 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1977_03_11_017?fileType=PDF
“Pottery Cottage survivor Gill’s new heartbreak”, March 1, 1988 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/DExp_1988_03_01_001?fileType=PDF
“Rescued From Clutches of Axe-Wielding Killer Lunatic”, March 8, 2020 - https://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/SExp_2020_03_08_024?fileType=PDF
 
Newspapers . com
Telegraph
“Murderer was a Jekyll and Hyde type”. Jan 16, 1977  
“Warning on rape reporting”, Jan 16, 1977
“Inquiry Called”, Jan 16, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859193/  
“Inquiry Into Massacre Manhunt”, Jan 17, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859202/
“Killer sent hostages out shopping”, Jan 18, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859228/
“The Derbyshire Tragedy”, Jan 18, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859236/
“All my love” farewell to massacre family”, Jan 22, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859274/
“Hughes is cremated after grave protest”, Jan 26, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859285/  
 
Birmingham Post
“Massacre: MPs urge inquiry”, Jan 17, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859214/
“Timetable of terror at Pottery Cottage”, Jan 18, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859216/  
“Prison officers continue action over inquiry”, Jan 20, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859268/
“Women protest as killer is cremated”, Jan 26, 1977 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/94859296/
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Online sources
https://www.lep.co.uk/news/bullet-just-bounced-his-head-and-made-him-more-wild-1115467
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1977/mar/10/the-case-of-william-thomas-hughes-1
 
Book
The Pottery Cottage Murders by Carol Anne Lee & Peter Howse  
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085XW3XRZ?ref=KC_GS_GB_US

153. Dead Side Manner: Dr. Dale Cavaness

 Today we are venturing back to a time when small towns had small-town doctors. These doctors were not only fixtures of the community, these men and women made house calls and knew all their patients and all their ailments. If Mr. Smith couldn’t pay, no problem. If Mrs. Robert’s’ infant spiked a fever, the doctor would be there within the hour. Doctors took an oath. ‘first do no harm’ but maybe just maybe not all doctors are good. In fact, maybe there are a few doctors whose bedside manner is more like dead side manner. This is one such doctor.

Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Dead Side Manner: Dr. Dale Cavaness’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.

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Murder in Little Egypt by Darcy O’Brien
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152. A House of Horror: Lisa Steinberg & Hedda Nussbaum

 On November 2nd, 1987, paramedics responded to a 911 call about an unresponsive 6-year-old Lisa.
Upon arrival at the Greenwich Village apartment in New York, they found the little girl unconscious and nude on the floor.

The apartment was filthy, and another child, a 16-month-old little boy, was found tied to a playpen by a rope around his waist. He was lying in his own filth with spoiled milk available for him to drink.

When investigators speak with the parents, Joel Steinberg and his common-law wife, Hedda Nussbaum, they realize the kids weren't the only ones that suffered abuse.

Join Cam and Jen as we talk about A House of Horrors: Lisa Steinberg and Hedda Nussbaum

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151. Off the Leash: John Helble & Keisha

 We are headed to North Liberty, Iowa, population 18,000 plus. This Midwest town is not unlike others. Most of the members know each other where they work and live together. It is February 1999, When one of their own, is murdered in his home, the community is stunned. With little to no evidence, investigators look to an unusual witness and hope, even though she can’t speak, she will lead them to the killer.

Join Jen and Cam on Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Off the Leash: John Helble and Keisha.’

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